Free & Democratic Afghanistan

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  1. :evil: Anyone really suprised ?

    President Hamid Karzai takes 100% of votes in opposition stronghold

    In the southern Afghan district of Shorabak, the tribesmen gathered shortly before last month’s presidential election to discuss which candidate they would back. After a debate they chose to endorse Abdullah Abdullah, President Hamid Karzai’s leading opponent.

    The tribal leaders prepared to deliver a landslide for Abdullah – but it never happened. They claim Ahmed Wali Karzai, the president’s brother and leader of the Kandahar provincial council, detained the local governor and closed all the district’s 46 polling sites on election day.

    The ballot boxes were taken back to the district headquarters where, tribal leaders allege, they were stuffed with ballots by local policemen. A total of 23,900 ballots were finally sent off to Kabul, the capital – every one of them a vote for Karzai.
  2. That's not really unsurprising.

    AWK was passing out $1ks in bribe money at the Constitutional Lloya Jerga in 2003/4 and the UN knew about it but bottled out over expelling him because they feared a riot.

    Does anyone really expect Afghanistan to suddenly embrace free a fair democracy given it's past history.

    We should stop trying to impose an outside political system on the tribes and let them run that side of thinga as they will. Where we can help is in training the judiciary, health, schooling, roads, the army, the police- the list is endless.

    Lets just stay away from the politics.

    And while I'm here- build a company if not a battalion sized "FOB" at Baramcha!!
  3. No I'm not surprised...disappointed, angry and frustrated yes!

    This was never going to happen overnight. Having an election in a country "still in conflict with itself" is laughable really. The inability to get independent observers on the ground to monitor the election proved to be an irresistible opportunity for fraud.

    The only thing I take away from this are the stories of your average Afghan prepared to endure all hardships in order to vote (and that makes me very humble). So democracy is alive in Afghanistan, the people want it....the "free" will take a little bit longer I'm afraid.
  4. It makes you very stupid too. An Afghani is a unit of currency.
  5. Whoops Sunday morning hangover, brain not tracking well, only realised error, thanks for pointing it out.
  6. "Chinese parliaments", to use an expression from "THEM", in which everybody gets to have a say, have been an integral part of life in Affers for centuries. But the Afghans are nothing if not practical, and they see immediately which way the wind's blowing and adapt to it.

    They'll weather the storm of the present occupation, as they've outlasted every other attempt to reform their society. Even the occupation by the Chinese in about 20 years will be absorbed. These folks are survivors in a country with such extremes of weather and topical conditions that we really should be looking to them for advice on how to continue when the inevitable breakdown of our own societies occurs.


    Votes annulled at 447 Afghan sites
    Updated on 06 September 2009
    Source PA News

    Afghan election officials say they have thrown out votes at 447 voting sites across the country because of fraud allegations.

    The head of the Independent Election Commission Daoud Ali Najafi could not say how many votes are affected.

    The latest election results show President Hamid Karzai creeping closer to the important 50% threshold with 48.6%.
  8. We do tend to overate the importance of national elections. The rush towards them was a major mistake in Iraq. The much more advanced Turkey only recently escaped the clutches of the military that still inhibits civil society in Pakistan. It took centuries of institution building for the US to achieve a fairly representative democracy and ballot stuffing was still rife in living memory. Afghanistan is a dirt poor, war racked third world country often without much more than Pashtunwali to build on.

    Even if this election resembles the recent charade in Iran that would still be a considerable advance on much of the region. Too plunder Johnson: Like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all.

    I'd worry about far more basic bits of social infrastructure. Creating a police force not so prone to flagrant banditry and a spot of bachabazi may actually be more important than a sea of purple fingers. After all it was local authority figures with a fondness for buggering boys that got Mullah Omar's goat and kicked off the Taliban.
  9. Islam doesn't do Democracy, never has, never will.
  10. So, presumably, those brave soldiers who died on "panther's claw" did so for no reason? 150 votes in Helmand and a puppet govt tainted by corruption but all the while receiving unprecedented military and political support from the west. If Afghan people were sceptical before Karzai came to power they have every reason to believe democracy is a complete waste of time now.

    Western support for a very unpopular corrupt govt looks very similar to the mistake the Russians made back in the 1980s. Hard to understand why we have repeated the same mistake. Are political and military leaders in the UK really this stupid?