This MTD reduction etc, is now going far far beyond a joke. I've heard soldiers are being offered C+E but only if they do this as C1 training. Let me think this through..... Ok, if I had no job and wanted civvie employment as a driver, then okay dookie fine but I'd then become a vocational driver Have no intention of ever becoming a full time driver and would only be doing this for the TA, then it's just day light robbery (Yes they do exsist, I had to do C and C+E and have used the license about 3 or 4 times - I had to do the course to please some bean counter in Blandford/Glasgow) In RSigs these two situations would be fairly common, many of our drivers trades can't drive at weekends and our operators/techs aren't going to want to be civvie drivers (fozzy - yep it's a broad brush again - I'd settle for it being 60%+ true in most cases). Come on, which pillock is going to suggest they are getting a free civvie qualification and that is justification enough for no pay. I may agree for Cat B license but not anything higher - no, not when the only recipient is the Army not the individual.