France : ""there is no alternative to nuclear energy today."

#2
The bleeding hearts of the liberal left have ruled the roost in the UK over nuclear energy for far too long. It is the only sustainable way of getting electricity into the grid on the market today.Renewables have their place, but are unlikely to be able to supply the nation's (ever growing) energy needs for the foreseeable future.The tree-huggers need to wake up and smell the coffee. ****, I hate that phrase.
 
#5
....well they need to plan for enough capacity to supply the Hermans long term....

Having looked at France's nuclear plans, they have their heads screwed on. All 60ish nuclear plants to be replaced with new plants with far more capacity on a rolling programme.
When the oil runs out, France is going to coin it selling electrikery to it's neighbours.
 

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#6
Having looked at Frances nuclear plans, they have their heads screwed on. All 60ish nuclear plants to be replaced with new plants with far more capacity on a rolling programme.
When the oil runs out, France is going to coin it selling electrikery to it's neighbours.
Who is Frances? What is he planning?

France will be in a position to supply well beyond its own needs, and that is quite a powerful position to be in, especially with no competition....
 
#7
Wind, solar, tidal, hydroelectric, etc all have their place. But nothing will replace nuclear for good, long-term baseload. I'd love to see stacks of small TWT Thorium reactors scattered across the country. They use waste from other reactors to burn the Thorium, produce far less waste and because the fuel is already molten they can't suffer burn-throughs like happened in Japan. On top of that they are sealed throughout their lifetime so can't suffer from the proliferation threat such as that seen in Iran.
 

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#8
Wind, solar, tidal, hydroelectric, etc all have their place. But nothing will replace nuclear for good, long-term baseload. I'd love to see stacks of small TWT Thorium reactors scattered across the country. They use waste from other reactors to burn the Thorium, produce far less waste and because the fuel is already molten they can't suffer burn-throughs like happened in Japan. On top of that they are sealed throughout their lifetime so can't suffer from the proliferation threat such as that seen in Iran.
These the "5th generation" reactors I read about in the Economist about 18 months ago? Seemed like a really smart system that just needed some (fairly heavy) investment to get working on a worthwhile scale. And as we are already investing BILLIONS in the white elephant wind-farms... Especially as having the tech and skills to build new reactors would be a VERY useful export commodity.
 
#9
....well they need to plan for enough capacity to supply the Hermans long term....
Alsacien, you are so out of touch. The Greens have got it all sorted, there will be enough wind and solar energy for all, even without nuclear power. We won't need to import electricity from anywhere, and as a bonus it will only cost us about 2 cents per Kw extra.


And can I have some of that stuff they've been smoking?
 
#10
#14
These the "5th generation" reactors I read about in the Economist about 18 months ago? Seemed like a really smart system that just needed some (fairly heavy) investment to get working on a worthwhile scale. And as we are already investing BILLIONS in the white elephant wind-farms... Especially as having the tech and skills to build new reactors would be a VERY useful export commodity.
I recently read that a prototype Thorium reactor had been fired up, and had worked. However, that is not the same as producing MW of power at 99.8% availability. As is the case with fusion technology (always tomorrow's technology...), I think we are a long way from introducing this technology, and the government does not have the wherewithal to kickstart development.

I think we will survive because a gas powered station can be built reasonably quickly (5 years?) and National Grid has already built most of the infrastructure for handling large volumes of LNG.

The problem is that burning gas does nothing for the environment - if that is your worst fear.

Litotes
 
#16
Energy self sufficiency should be a high political priority and nuclear energy is pretty much the only way ahead at the moment. Pity most politicians can't think beyond the next opinion poll/council elections.

I'd be keen to explore the possibilities of chaining fat bastards to treadmills. Can I have a government grant and immunity from prosecution while I do a few years of research?
 
#18
Banging up nuclear reactors is not the answer.

What we should be doing is looking at reducing our consumption needs, ensuring our houses are well insulated and well sited (ie south facing conservtories to heat the house). All the design features we have forgotton in throwing up sh1t/'affordable' housing.

Once that is done, we can look at solar and increasing its efficiency, ground arrays for heating perhaps and of course then looking at renewables.

Nukes backing up wind power is a fair solution. The excess power produced during nuke run up and run down (it takes a while to hit the throttle) can be used to charge power cells, or split water for use as fuel.
 
#19
Banging up nuclear reactors is not the answer.
Yes it is, France has proven it rather comprehensively.

What we should be doing is looking at reducing our consumption needs, ensuring our houses are well insulated and well sited (ie south facing conservtories to heat the house). All the design features we have forgotton in throwing up sh1t/'affordable' housing.
Reducing energy needs? How so, retreat back to the standards of living we had in 1911?
How quaint, we all buy very expensive conservatories to save money!

Once that is done, we can look at solar and increasing its efficiency, ground arrays for heating perhaps and of course then looking at renewables.
SOlar, last time I checked we;re in a bloody cold and cloudy country. If I covered every inch of my roof, I would at best generate 10% of my electricity needs at a cost of over £11k. Ground array heating? You buying me the house with the huge garden?


Nukes backing up wind power is a fair solution. The excess power produced during nuke run up and run down (it takes a while to hit the throttle) can be used to charge power cells, or split water for use as fuel.
If you have nuclear to 'back up wind' as you rather quaintly put it, you already have a far cheaper green power source! And as for the charging power cells fantasy!
 
#20
Who is Frances? What is he planning?

France will be in a position to supply well beyond its own needs, and that is quite a powerful position to be in, especially with no competition....
'Frances' spelt like that is female. Francis is male.

Well done France! Our trouble is we have the allegedly criminal, limp-wristed, tree-hugging, opportunistic twerp Huhne nominally in charge.

PS: Why is Huhne not under arrest?
 

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