France go it alone in Mali

#1
The Frogs have intervened in Mali against Islamic rebels, linky I wonder how this will turn out or will they get sucked in to a long drawn out conflict.
 
#2
The Frogs have intervened in Mali against Islamic rebels, linky I wonder how this will turn out or will they get sucked in to a long drawn out conflict.
No, there will be a repeat of French Indo-China. They will get their arses kicked and pull out sharpish, leaving the spams to get involved in the long drawn out conflict which they will also lose.
 
#3
The Frogs have intervened in Mali against Islamic rebels, linky I wonder how this will turn out or will they get sucked in to a long drawn out conflict.

On C4 news they were saying the Germans may send troops to back up the French if need be. Hope the French stuff garlic down the Islamist throats!!
 
#4
No, there will be a repeat of French Indo-China. They will get their arses kicked and pull out sharpish, leaving the spams to get involved in the long drawn out conflict which they will also lose.
Can't see the septics wanting to get involved in that, could see us ending up helping in some way though.
 
#5
The French have a long history of intervening in Africa - forget about Indo-China, the French Army is now all-regular, professional and competent, despite the adverse, ill-informed and derogatory comments posted here.
 
#7
The Frogs have intervened in Mali against Islamic rebels, linky I wonder how this will turn out or will they get sucked in to a long drawn out conflict.
Channel 4 News showed Hollande saying they were there for as long as it takes. Sure, we've heard that before (also from Brit and US leaders whose forces in Afghanistan are lacing up their Nikes as we speak) but it gave the impression they were there for more than just a quick hit and run.
 
#9
Le Figaro website said about 45 mins ago that William Hague supports the French decision and that the Foreign Office is offering political support.

We are watching this closely as the brother of my middle child's close friend was arrested in Bamako on Wednesday, we don't know why yet.
 

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Interesting to see France throwing its weight around in the last couple of years and their willingness to go it alone, good on 'em I say. They beat us out of the blocks on Libya and have had a more coherent policy ever since ie playing big boys rules to win contracts etc while we've been ****ing about with Women's Conferences.

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#15
Le Figaro website said about 45 mins ago that William Hague supports the French decision and that the Foreign Office is offering political support.

We are watching this closely as my middle child's close friend is from Bamako and one of his brothers was arrested on Wednesday, we don't know why yet.
HMG will be treading carefully round Algeria. It regards Mali as it's backyard (in fact most of the sahara surrounding its borders) and there are rather large contracts for Merlin and Lynx (don't know version) being delivered to/serviced for Algiers - Yeovil must be kept busy!

Problems in Bamako are more likely echoes from the coup and public order/protest related. Bambaras still predominate and tribal issues are very strong.
One of the better proposed solutions to recapturing the north was supporting the secularist MNLA to do the hard yards against MUJAO & Ansar Dine (no doubt helped by lots of hirsute chaps called le bob and le dave ) - that kicked off all sorts of anti tuareg protests and then disappeared
 
#17
I don't think we should be too off-hand with this.

The fear of an Islamist nexus from AQIM in the north, through Ansaar ul-deen in Mali/Timbucktu in the mid-Africa to Boko Haram in Nigeria would be a European security problem very quickly.

Don't forget the significance of Nigeria to our oil/energy security.

And at least one Brit has already been caught trying to make Hijrah to the promised land.

Ahmed Shaheen: British student arrested in North Africa for 'trying to join terror group' | Mail Online

Ungoverned space is what seems to terrify policy makers right now - Somalia, Yemen, Syria, FATA, etc.

This is on our doorstep and quickly could become a problem for us, AQ have always been a forward looking organisation and you can bet that they have identified trends.

I was reading The Accidental Guerrilla the other day, and the situation in Mali could become a case study. Islamists move in, where possible merge with the local community, intervention from the west forces locals to side with the Islamists, before you know it you're fighting the whole country.

It is a bit like "rescue behaviour" in domestic violence -man beats wife, cops turn up to nick the husband, wife then has to side with the underdog and "rescues" the husband by turning on the police or failing to help them (I simplify the psychology there for the sake of the example).

I think the only thing the mitigates against a British involvement in this is the lack of minority populations. If I get it, France has a large Algerian underclass in Metropolitan France. A bit like we are interested in Af-Pak for obvious reasons, so France (for reasons of it's own compelling strategic interest) has a clear interest in making sure that the population in it's country does not have that ungoverned space to send the young men out to medrasah or training camps.

I may be wrong, others more educated that I could set me right. I'd be interested to read others ideas.
 
#18
If I get it said:
Well, if our own experience is anything to go by, nothing gives home-grown Islamic under-achievers and religious fantasists more of an excuse to 'radicalise' than the host country's involvement in warlike activities in a Mahomedan homeland.
 

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