France enters cartoon row

#2
:D Allez les gars du France Soir! :D

See, the French do have balls when they want to!

And when the backlash occurs, I sincerely hope that France Soir tells them to poke it in le hoop and stop being so fecking al-sensitive.
 
#4
Perevodchik said:
Careful, it's only a short trip from there to 'if you don't like it, fcuk off home'

Then an even shorter trip to the cells for incitement.
Mine was a reference to Palestinian flag burning (of Danish flags) so I'm probably still safe from the threat of the cells! :wink:
 
#5
Can we get T-shirts made with the pictures on? I would like to see one of the al-Hampshire militants trying to slap me with his ****ing sandal......
 
#6
Random_Task said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4669360.stm

Surely if they don't like it, they shouldn't be taking our handouts?!
Free speech is great, but just because I have the absolute right to insult and demean another's beliefs doesn't make it polite or gentlemanly thing to do.

Besides which, R_T, they were published in a newspaper not a handout.
 
#7
fas_et_gloria said:
Random_Task said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4669360.stm

Surely if they don't like it, they shouldn't be taking our handouts?!
Free speach is great, but just because I have the absolute right to insult and demean another's beliefs doesn't make it polite or gentlemanly thing to do.

Besides which, R_T, they were published in a newspaper not a handout.
fas_et_gloria

The term 'handout' was a refence to EU money going to Palestine, not a print out of an article
 
#8
Random_Task said:
fas_et_gloria said:
Random_Task said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4669360.stm

Surely if they don't like it, they shouldn't be taking our handouts?!
Free speech is great, but just because I have the absolute right to insult and demean another's beliefs doesn't make it polite or gentlemanly thing to do.

Besides which, R_T, they were published in a newspaper not a handout.
fas_et_gloria

The term 'handout' was a refence to EU money going to Palestine, not a print out of an article
<coughs>

WAH!
 
#9
fas_et_gloria said:
Random_Task said:
fas_et_gloria said:
Random_Task said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4669360.stm

Surely if they don't like it, they shouldn't be taking our handouts?!
Free speach is great, but just because I have the absolute right to insult and demean another's beliefs doesn't make it polite or gentlemanly thing to do.

Besides which, R_T, they were published in a newspaper not a handout.
fas_et_gloria

The term 'handout' was a refence to EU money going to Palestine, not a print out of an article
<coughs>

WAH!
:lol: :oops:
 
#10
So hold on, why can the christians, hindus and jews and whoever else was depicted besides the muslims take it as it was intended, a statement that, its all for one or none at all, in multi cultural societies. I didn't see reports of any violent hindu bomb threats or riots or outcry or anything, I have to be honest, if this doesn't highlight the apparently widespread militant aspect to islam then I don't know what does. And I am gonna go out on a limb and say it and risk the incoming but, if they do not accept that in their chosen society (in the case of migrants) that the freedom of expression exists for people to put pen to paper and create things such as this maybe they should move on to pastures new where freedom of expression is a bit slow coming and then decide which lifestyle was the better.
 
#11
Random_Task said:
fas_et_gloria said:
Random_Task said:
fas_et_gloria said:
Random_Task said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4669360.stm

Surely if they don't like it, they shouldn't be taking our handouts?!
Free speech is great, but just because I have the absolute right to insult and demean another's beliefs doesn't make it polite or gentlemanly thing to do.

Besides which, R_T, they were published in a newspaper not a handout.
fas_et_gloria

The term 'handout' was a refence to EU money going to Palestine, not a print out of an article
<coughs>

WAH!

:lol: :oops:
The free speech bit, however, wasn't a wah. More an indictment of all that it is to be French.
 
#12
fas_et_gloria said:
Free speech is great, but just because I have the absolute right to insult and demean another's beliefs doesn't make it polite or gentlemanly thing to do.
I agree. However, the point which les Francais et al is trying to make is that it is religious extremism which is forcing us to tailor what we can say / can't say accordingly. I don't for one minute believe that the average follower of the muslim faith got excited by this, or threatened to cut Salman Rushdie's throat after his so-called Islamic insults. The moderate believers of any faith or creed see the extremists as just that - I would suggest that extremism in any form is merely a vehicle for exponents of their own subversive agenda to have a voice.
 
#13
307 said:
So hold on, why can the christians, hindus and jews and whoever else was depicted besides the muslims take it as it was intended, a statement that, its all for one or none at all, in multi cultural societies. I didn't see reports of any violent hindu bomb threats or riots or outcry or anything, I have to be honest, if this doesn't highlight the apparently widespread militant aspect to islam then I don't know what does. And I am gonna go out on a limb and say it and risk the incoming but, if they do not accept that in their chosen society (in the case of migrants) that the freedom of expression exists for people to put pen to paper and create things such as this maybe they should move on to pastures new where freedom of expression is a bit slow coming and then decide which lifestyle was the better.
I'll refer to my first post, then. Just because something can be said, doesn't mean it should be. Islam is ideologically iconoclastic. The foundation of the faith centred around the purging of idolatry from the pre-Islamic Arabian faiths. Comparing Hinduism and Islam in terms of their acceptance of iconic imagery ignores the nature of Hinduism's acceptance of imagery as a focus for worship just as much as Islam's rejection of it lest it become an object of worship.

Anyone who publishes this type of stuff is sending a calculated insult to exactly the portion of the global population whom we must get to understand us. The basis of the anti-Western extremism, which lies at the root of militant salafism, is the cultural neo-colonialism of the West. All this is likely to achieve is handing evidence to the extremist preachers who lay the ills of the Islamic world at the door of the post-religious West.
 
#14
Congratulations to the frogs!

here's why i'm 100% behind them:

France Soir said it had published the cartoons to show that "religious dogma" had no place in a secular society.
About time someone had the balls to clearly express that in the press.
 
#15
#16
fas_et_gloria said:
Anyone who publishes this type of stuff is sending a calculated insult to exactly the portion of the global population whom we must get to understand us. The basis of the anti-Western extremism, which lies at the root of militant salafism, is the cultural neo-colonialism of the West. All this is likely to achieve is handing evidence to the extremist preachers who lay the ills of the Islamic world at the door of the post-religious West.
I think this is being slightly over simplistic. Islam's fundamental beef with the Christians (and that's what we're really talking about here) lies a lot further back in history. I won't bore the assembled with everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-medieval-history-but-were-afraid-to-ask type stuff but I hardly think a couple of cartoons in a 21st century newspaper are cause for great concern.

Now, as for Richard the Lionheart and the Crusaders.....that's another matter.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#17
Islamic tradition bans depictions of the Prophet Muhammad or Allah

So as I dont live under their rules I can caricature whoever the hell I like and sue me!
Thats what is up for grabs, live under our laws and use them or go to where the laws are based on your beliefs! I have to drive onthe wrong side of the road when I'm mad enough to visit france its only fair that they can lampoon through caricature!
 
#18
Storeman Norman said:
Now, as for Richard the Lionheart and the Crusaders.....that's another matter.
And they're still smarting from the Reconquista...
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
#19
PompeySailor said:
Can we get T-shirts made with the pictures on? I would like to see one of the al-Hampshire militants trying to slap me with his * sandal......
They are already available in Germany, a country with a centuries-old reputation for religous and minority tolerance.
 
#20
Ugly, EXACTLY my point, migrants know where and what they are moving to, no matter how much they might want them to be their adoptive nations will not become little (insert name of muslim nation here)s, it's that simple. If they cannot live with the freedom of expression and the products it creates, then they should go somewhere where they're not faced with this problem it is that simple. Now I know we moan about the state of thigns in this nation, but who has ever sent a bomb threat to the scum or planned to assassinate Galloway (excluding fantasies). Those cartoons are very much done in a satirical sense, a bit of harmless fun poking,deal with it. My favourite was the runing out of virgins!
 

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