Foxhound. Who to believe?

#5
Heavier vehicles' engine works harder, other than anyone who understands basic physics this is not news.

That why you put a bigger engine in it.....
Which the Foxhound doesn't have

I have never had the slightest thing to do with Foxhound (just to be clear) but a vehicle weighing in at 7.5 tonnes needs an engine bigger than 3.2 litres. Why they didn't just put a Cummins in it is a mystery to me.

Apart from some Japanese light trucks nothing in the commercial world running at that weight would consider running a 3.2 litre engine and expect hard use out of it.
 
#6
That why you put a bigger engine in it.....
Which the Foxhound doesn't have

I have never had the slightest thing to do with Foxhound (just to be clear) but a vehicle weighing in at 7.5 tonnes needs an engine bigger than 3.2 litres. Why they didn't just put a Cummins in it is a mystery to me.

Apart from some Japanese light trucks nothing in the commercial world running at that weight would consider running a 3.2 litre engine and expect hard use out of it.
Perhaps were running into Bigger Engine -(also heavier)- more space needed = More Armour = Increased weight =
butting up against the required weight limit
 
#8
Heavier vehicles' engine works harder, other than anyone who understands basic physics this is not news.
Sod all to do with the weight of the vehicle, more to do with cooling and airflow. Anyone who understands basic vehicle engineering understands this.

Edited to add:

You can, generally, retrofit larger/more powerful engines to any vehicle and add extra cooling. However if you have no money and none of the MoD are listening to the man on the ground then sod all is going to happen or if it is it's a long way off. Look how long CR2 upgrade is taking for a clue.
 
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#9
Sod all to do with the weight of the vehicle, more to do with cooling and airflow. Anyone who understands basic vehicle engineering understands this.
It isn't as if nobody has ever built any machines similar to this before.
Surely there's tons of data going back 100 years or more, and a wealth of experience of nations using similar vehicles in similar conditions, against similar threats, all within the last 20 years or so.
Everyday cars and trucks get tested from Alaska to the Sahara, and all parts in between. Surely military vehicles should be tested even more?
Some blokes didn't do their homework.
 
#10
It isn't as if nobody has ever built any machines similar to this before.
Surely there's tons of data going back 100 years or more, and a wealth of experience of nations using similar vehicles in similar conditions, against similar threats, all within the last 20 years or so.
Everyday cars and trucks get tested from Alaska to the Sahara, and all parts in between. Surely military vehicles should be tested even more?
Some blokes didn't do their homework.
It was a UOR hence the reduced testing time. MoD obviously weighed off limited testing time against increasingly hostile public opinion.
 

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#11
Apropos of nothing, two verses of Pink Floyd, Free Four spring into my head (somebody uses other words from this in his signature block).

You are the angel of death
And I am the dead man's son.
And he was buried like a mole in a fox hole.
And everyone is still in the run.
And who is the master of fox hounds?
And who says the hunt has begun?
And who calls the tune in the courtroom?
And who beats the funeral drum?
 
#12
Sod all to do with the weight of the vehicle, more to do with cooling and airflow. Anyone who understands basic vehicle engineering understands this.

Edited to add:

You can, generally, retrofit larger/more powerful engines to any vehicle and add extra cooling. However if you have no money and none of the MoD are listening to the man on the ground then sod all is going to happen or if it is it's a long way off. Look how long CR2 upgrade is taking for a clue.
way back in the time of Saracen APC's one of the in service modifications was to reverse the direction of the airflow for cooling. I believe it was more efficient especially with the armour to protect the engine/radiator etc.
 
#14
Not really done anything to protect their source, have they?

"Speaking to the BBC in Iraq, an Army sergeant responsible for maintaining a fleet of Foxhounds said the vehicle was "a massive waste of money".
The sergeant, who did not want to be named, said the vehicles keep overheating.
"They break down all the time. They cannot handle the heat, they have a massive problem with it.
"At 50 degrees the engine cooks out."
He said he was having to strip the vehicles down every five or six weeks to keep them running. Normally, this would only be done twice a year.
The soldier said he had had to alter the bonnets to try to increase the air supply to cool down the engines.
Tools were not provided to deal with this so he bought his own specialist equipment, he said."

I think someone's career has just come to an emergency stop.
 
#15
way back in the time of Saracen APC's one of the in service modifications was to reverse the direction of the airflow for cooling. I believe it was more efficient especially with the armour to protect the engine/radiator etc.
Having driven a reverse airflow Saracen in the middle of a harsh German winter on exercise for 3 weeks with no windscreen fitted (as they always broke) I can state quite clearly that that type of cooling is not suitable for anywhere but the climate in Afghanistan & Iraq.
 
#16
Not really done anything to protect their source, have they?

"Speaking to the BBC in Iraq, an Army sergeant responsible for maintaining a fleet of Foxhounds said the vehicle was "a massive waste of money".
The sergeant, who did not want to be named, said the vehicles keep overheating.
"They break down all the time. They cannot handle the heat, they have a massive problem with it.
"At 50 degrees the engine cooks out."
He said he was having to strip the vehicles down every five or six weeks to keep them running. Normally, this would only be done twice a year.
The soldier said he had had to alter the bonnets to try to increase the air supply to cool down the engines.
Tools were not provided to deal with this so he bought his own specialist equipment, he said."

I think someone's career has just come to an emergency stop.
All that's missing is a Captain stood close by saying 'Don't tell 'em Pike'.
 
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#17
The Foxhound was on a list of military equipment put into service for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan under UOR rules.

In April 2009, the MoD bought 75 Springer all-terrain vehicles for more than £7m. They are now being sold for less than £10,000 each.

The MoD is also selling its fleet of 85 Warthog armoured vehicles, which were purchased in 2010 for £150m.
MoD defends £370m Foxhound vehicles after breakdown claims

Everyone, including the people who died in snatch landrovers, would have been better off buying 200 refurbished Caspars like the Lithuanians did.
 
#18
Not really done anything to protect their source, have they?



I think someone's career has just come to an emergency stop.
Relax, as a REME VM Sgt, it's not like he had much of a career to lose.

Full screw is a much better rank to hold, and counting Mess Bills more lucrative.
 
#19
Not really done anything to protect their source, have they?

"Speaking to the BBC in Iraq, an Army sergeant responsible for maintaining a fleet of Foxhounds said the vehicle was "a massive waste of money".
The sergeant, who did not want to be named, said the vehicles keep overheating.
"They break down all the time. They cannot handle the heat, they have a massive problem with it.
"At 50 degrees the engine cooks out."
He said he was having to strip the vehicles down every five or six weeks to keep them running. Normally, this would only be done twice a year.
The soldier said he had had to alter the bonnets to try to increase the air supply to cool down the engines.
Tools were not provided to deal with this so he bought his own specialist equipment, he said."

I think someone's career has just come to an emergency stop.
My money is on it being Spaz.
 
#20
Well it's definitely not me...
 
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