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Foxhound LPPV

#1
Well surprise, surprise, with only 2 days before the Christmas shut-down and still no sign of the 36 Foxhound's that were to be delivered this year.

I thought DE&S were getting smarter. yeh right.
 
#2
If they've not been delivered, it might be an issue with the contractor rather than DE&S.

Not that its going to make much difference - they'd only sit in shed over Christmas while everyone gets pissed.
 
#3
If DE&S had got the right contractor, maybe it would be delivered. As the purchase, and spender of my money, they should be overseeing the contractor and making them deliver. I bet there are no finacial penalities imposed for late delivery.

Its just another nail in the coffin of DE&S and the sooner it becomes a GOCO the better.
 
#4
If DE&S had got the right contractor, maybe it would be delivered. As the purchase, and spender of my money, they should be overseeing the contractor and making them deliver. I bet there are no finacial penalities imposed for late delivery.
So which contractor should they have chosen?

One which would have delivered a month earlier, but failed to meet the protection requirments.
 
#5
One with a track record of building vehicles, and no not BAe.

The whole programme has been doomed from the start. As for meeting the requirements, well if you think they have all been met, then you definatley know something that I don't.
 
#7
Seeing as you're in Bristol why don't you sort it out instead of whingeing about it?
 
#8
If only I could, but as there are only 26 parking spaces in ABW for contracotrs, it is not that easy to get in.

Beside whose's whingeing, I am merely stating facts. Foxhound is LATE.

Will it be reported in the next addition of DESider, I doubt it. In the world of Abbeywood, all is milk and honey, and on time and on budget.
 
#9
Well surprise, surprise, with only 2 days before the Christmas shut-down and still no sign of the 36 Foxhound's that were to be delivered this year.

I thought DE&S were getting smarter. yeh right.
200 of them for a total of £180 million . . . . . :|

WIKI said:
On 22 September 2010, the MoD announced that the Ocelot would replace the Snatch Land Rover, the previous LPPV, which has received criticism for its lack of protection against roadside bombs. The first Ocelots are expected to be delivered to troops in 2011. The final price and quantity of the order were undetermined as at 30 November 2010. The MoD announced that 200 Ocelots had been ordered, at a cost of £180 Million. The MoD has renamed the vehicle Foxhound in line with the names given to other wheeled armoured vehicles in current British use, such as Mastiff and Ridgeback.

Ocelot (vehicle) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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#10
One with a track record of building vehicles, and no not BAe.
The contractors that got it do have a track record of building vehicles - many of which are being used right now in Afghanistan: Force Protection (Mastiff, Ridgback, Wolfhound) and Ricardo (WMIK, Vixen etc).

I would ask again, which contractor should it have been awarded to?

The whole programme has been doomed from the start. As for meeting the requirements, well if you think they have all been met, then you definatley know something that I don't.
I don't think any project ever meets all of its requirements. The main question is whether it meets its KURs - i.e. does it do what it said on the tin by fulfilling the need expressed by the Army? In this case, I would say categorically, yes.

Providing Mastiff-levels of blast protection on something not much bigger than a Snatch was always going to be a challenge, and none of the bidding contractors had an off-the-shelf product that could do the job. Therefore to go from drawing board to production in around 2 years is a pretty good effort as far as I can see, and I applaud anything that might result in few less bodybags in both Afghanistan and any other shithole we get involved with in the future.
 
#11
UORMan, are you Lewis Page?
 
#12
Gassing Badgers, the contractor you quote is not actually correct.

Mastiff etc, were based on vehicles build by Force Protection and then re-worked by NP Aerospace in Coventry. The Mastiff that comes out of NP is totaly differnt to the 'Cougar' that goes in.

It is Force Protection Europe that is doing Foxhound, and they are not the same as FP.

And in response to yeoman, no I am not Lewis Page.
 
#13
Gassing Badgers, the contractor you quote is not actually correct.

Mastiff etc, were based on vehicles build by Force Protection and then re-worked by NP Aerospace in Coventry. The Mastiff that comes out of NP is totaly differnt to the 'Cougar' that goes in.
The difference between Mastiff and Cougar is mainly cosmetic - external armour, electronics etc. The parts that determine reliability - i.e. hull, drivetrain running gear - are all as supplied by FPII.

It is Force Protection Europe that is doing Foxhound, and they are not the same as FP.
FPE are a farily recent invention in order to ensure the vehicle is ITAR-free (i.e. we can do what we want with it, without Uncle Sam's persmission), and although they are responsible for the management of the contract, most of the design work lies with the existing contractors above.

You still haven't suggested who should have got the contract for LPPV..?
 
#14
You could infer that he likes NP and, by extension, postman pat's van.

Of course, there are the other niche manufacturers like Timoney and Universal Engineering. There are a couple of others who were kept out of the LPPV competition but I can't think who they were right now.
 
#15
I mentioned it on another thread today but will say again as this seems more relevent.

The FOXOUND EMA took place 2 weeks ago at my unit and along with FP, DE&S staff, 3 of my VMs had the opportunity to crawl over it for the whole week. They were very much impressed with it as was I.

I would rather it was late but ready for deployment than rushed and shite like other projects so for me, I feel that DE&S are doing it right this time. I'll reap what I so too as I'll no doubt be part of the in theatre implementation during H16
 
#16
The difference between Mastiff and Cougar is mainly cosmetic - external armour, electronics etc. The parts that determine reliability - i.e. hull, drivetrain running gear - are all as supplied by FPII.

Well if external armour, and blast seats are cosmetic, I best go and work on the 'Chanel' counter in Boots.
 
#17
Well if external armour, and blast seats are cosmetic, I best go and work on the 'Chanel' counter in Boots.
In that case, I'll be coming to you for my last minute Christmas shopping!

If you are talking about contractors who have a track record in making vehicles, that is not the same as one who modifies them. Adding external armour, load-limiting seating and electronics to a vehicle - while complex integration - does not represent the same challenge as designing a completely new vehicle from scratch and expecting it to meet relaibility growth within about a year of awarding the contract...
 

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#19
Are you by any chance a bit bitter because you didn't win the contract to supply it? Would you like us all to write to our MP's on your behalf to tell them that MOD bought the wrong thing? Perhaps you could post a link to the vehicle you wanted to sell so we can pass it on. After all, nothing I like more than to get all bothered by a bloke who joins arrse to whinge
 
#20
Well, it looks like he is recommending NP, but could it be a cunning bluff. If he acts like a muppet from NP, then that puts NP in a bad light, so perhaps he works/wants to work for FPE/Ricardo?

Or, considering that GD bought FP not so long ago, he could be working for GD. They have a site at Ashchurch.
 

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