Four arrested in Birmingham - failed bombings

#1
BBC

Police investigating the failed London bomb attacks on 21 July have arrested four men in Birmingham under the Terrorism Act 2000.
One man was held in the Hay Mills area of the city and taken to Paddington Green police station in London.

It is thought the arrest, during which a suspect package was found, could be of one of the suspects in the attack.

Three other men were arrested in the Ward End area of Birmingham and are in custody in the West Midlands.

In London, hundreds of police and MI5 agents are continuing the hunt for the men who tried to bomb three underground trains and a bus six days ago.

A flat in north London linked to two of the suspects is being searched, and police say chemicals found there and in a garage may have been for explosives.

Taser gun

The arrest of the man taken to London took place on the Heybarnes Road at 0430 BST on Wednesday, following a joint operation between West Midlands Police and officers from the Metropolitan Police Anti-Terrorist Branch.

He was shot with a Taser stun gun during the operation, but police say no firearms were used.

"A suspect package was found and as a precautionary measure evacuations have been undertaken in the vicinity," a police statement said.

Shortly afterwards the second address was raided and the other three men were arrested under the Terrorism Act 2000.

'Flat out'

A neighbour of the flat being searched in London said she saw one of the suspects outside her home on the day after the failed bombings.

The Metropolitan Police chief Sir Ian Blair said the men could carry out another attack.

"They are capable of killing again," he told Channel Four News. "We must find them. We are flat out and we are getting a great deal of intelligence."

Police have linked Yasin Hassan Omar, 24, and Muktar Said Ibrahim, 27 - also known as Muktar Mohammed Said - to the flat in the 12-storey Curtis House, in Ladderswood Way, New Southgate.

A white VW Golf, seized in nearby East Finchley on Tuesday, may have been used by one of the suspects, security sources said.

Before Wednesday morning's arrests, five people had been held under anti-terror laws in connection with the inquiry.

None were thought to have been among the failed bombers.
I have been hearing on Radio 4 that one has been taken to Paddington Green, after being zapped, believed to be one of the four who fled London.
 
#2
BBC News 24 has reported that man arrested in Birmingham had a device attached to him. He was resisting arrest and a taser device was used to subdue him.
 
#3
Strange, I would of thought that an electrical discharge could have set off the device. DOuble tap to the shwede! Unless they look Brazilian...........
 
#4
Not one to question the profficiency of the security services or the police, but would it not have been wise to use another method of incapacitation than TASER. After all it does SEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VOLTS OF ELECTRICITY THROUGH THE VICTIM (which may or may not have an electronic detonator) 8O 8O 8O
 
#5
Taser = high voltage?

Bomb initiation needs an ampage? Somebody from EOD please help.

May have sued Taser to prevent further criticism of 'shhot to kill' policy.
 
#6
CrapSpy said:
Taser = high voltage?

Bomb initiation needs an ampage? Somebody from EOD please help.

May have sued Taser to prevent further criticism of 'shhot to kill' policy.
And that just shows how the liberal media can dicatate to the police what is and isn't acceptable policy. Sad. If they saw he had a device on and thought he was about to set it off, best course of action is a couple of double taps to the cranium...

PS a typical taser puts out 50Kv at 150-160mA

Compare that to a 9V battery that can be used to detonate a bomb which has how many mA output?? Anyone know?
 
#7
It's 0430 in the morning, why would he be sleeping in semtex pyjamas? They need int, dead terrorists, although satisfying, don't provide much.
 
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RTFQ said:
It's 0430 in the morning, why would he be sleeping in semtex pyjamas? They need int, dead terrorists, although satisfying, don't provide much.
This has been debated on another thread. The Police's main area of concern is public safety, not collection of int. Yes it would be nice to capture a few suicide bombers alive, but not if there is a risk to the public.
 
#9
According to other news sources the suspect who got Tasered wasn't carrying/wearing anything suspect just that a package had been found in the vicinity and was being checked.

So shooting Xmillion volts through the guy seems like a good idea.
 
#10
Agent_Smith said:
CrapSpy said:
Taser = high voltage?

Bomb initiation needs an ampage? Somebody from EOD please help.

May have sued Taser to prevent further criticism of 'shhot to kill' policy.
And that just shows how the liberal media can dicatate to the police what is and isn't acceptable policy. Sad. If they saw he had a device on and thought he was about to set it off, best course of action is a couple of double taps to the cranium...
True words. You can guarantee that his appointed lawyer will have a whinge that "the use of the taser was an excessive measure as the homemade explosives were part of his religous rights as a British citizen in a so called democratic society"
 
#11
Steven said:
According to other news sources the suspect who got Tasered wasn't carrying/wearing anything suspect just that a package had been found in the vicinity and was being checked.

So shooting Xmillion volts through the guy seems like a good idea.
I'd imagine that were he wearing a device, it would have been removed from his body prior to sending him down south to London. The device could then be inspected and examined more closely.
 
#12
The point is that this guy wasn't wearing/carrying a possible bomb so the arguments about wether it was a good idea to zap the cnut or if this could possibly set the thing off are all moot.

IF the cops had shot him then the liberal shouts of "Nazi - Fascist police state" etc would have been overwhelming so the use of the Taser was a good descion by someone in this case.
 
#13
The bottom line is that none of us was there and therefore do not know the facts.

The policmen on the scene were armed so could have shot the cnut if they so wished. We now have him in custody, significantly increasing the chance of nicking the other 3 toerags involved.

I am sure their own safety (and that of the public) was at the top of their minds while doing the arrest and not the headlines of the papers the next morning...
 
#14
RTFQ said:
It's 0430 in the morning, why would he be sleeping in semtex pyjamas? They need int, dead terrorists, although satisfying, don't provide much.
True but dead terrorists and dead special branch officers (and potentially civilians) do not an appetising mixture make. Especialy when your chasing after more info and potential bombers. Which would you prefer?
 
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Big_Al said:
The bottom line is that none of us was there and therefore do not know the facts.

The policmen on the scene were armed so could have shot the cnut if they so wished. We now have him in custody, significantly increasing the chance of nicking the other 3 toerags involved.

I am sure their own safety (and that of the public) was at the top of their minds while doing the arrest and not the headlines of the papers the next morning...
fair point, welldone to the police. Lets wait and see what details come out.
 
#16
RTFQ said:
It's 0430 in the morning, why would he be sleeping in semtex pyjamas?
Anyone remember the Madrid bomber suspects who were cornered in the block of flats late at night? They detonated themselves and took out one police officer if my memory is correct.

Trying to gather intelligence from fanatics who are willing to commit suicide is a hard task. A lesson learnt in Iraq.
 

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#17
On a point of political correctness, the term 'Suicide Bomber' cannot be afforded to the 4 on the 21 July, as they failed in their mission.

Therefore, they should really be referred to as 'deferred suicide bomber' or cnuts for short :D
 
#18
Rather than speculate , wait until the details are released this afternoon or tomorrow morning.

A damn fine piece of work by West Midlands Police and SIS. Even if by some outside chance we have the wrong man , at least he is not shot full of holes :)

More to follow , details in the media shortly.
 
#20
Yesh of corsh vegitush , the taser was in his watch :)

Unconfirmed reports that one of the four lifted, is in fact one of the failed bombers.
 

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