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Forming Square

Auld-Yin

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#1
Firstly, may I thank the powers that be for returning OnB to us. In future please keep yer fecking hands off it!!!! :)

However, the remarks under the Forum Title got me thinking (yeah, I know!!)

Back by popular demand. Do you still consider forming a square to be a revolutionary new tactic then this is the place for you
I do remember when we formed square when dealing with Riot Control. The first time I came across this was in training at Junior Bleeders. I was nominated one of the CS Gas grenade throwers and we were giving a demonstration of the Riot Control Square to a bunch of teachers & Headies on a visit to IJLB.

To set the scene, it was January (might have been February - it was 42 years ago), we were in combats (old style - not DPM), with Boots:ammo, tin topies and SLRs.

My task was to run out 5 paces in front of the square with 3 others and lob CS at the mob. Ordered forward by the Square Commander and we doubled forward, slinging SLRs and preparing to lob said CS Grens. Now remember the scene - winter/boots ammo. On trying to stop I went arrse over tit as the boots suddenly decided that ice and studs did not mix. A tad embarassing for a 16 year old laddie, although there are compensations as if that had happened at the battalion it would have cost me a lot of beer!!

So in answer to the question posed by GCO - yes I do remember forming square - if slightly different from Waterloo style. :cool:
 
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I do hope you remembered to have the Magistrate read the Riot Act first! And waived the appropriate large banner warning that you might open fire.

RMAS 1972
 

Auld-Yin

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Indeed we did! We must have had the youngest magistrate going (16 possibly 17 years old).

All done very pukka
 
#5
<Settles down in chair>

The smell of wee has returned.

Good oh!

Understand that the modern army's done away with punkah-wallahs. No good will come of it, mark my words.

Harrumph.
 
#6
We are back about bloody time too, bloody young whippersnappers grumph,grumph.
When first enlisted into the legion of maximus chaosticus we formed in a circle! but the bloody greek legionares took advantage of the outer circle, so a square it became.
 
#7
My section formed square during a night patrol on an excercise in 1979. While crossing a field one dark and foggy night something spooked a herd of cows, which immediately stampeded towards us. We quickly formed square (yes, all 8 of us) and fired a volley of 7.62mm blank. The galloping cows broke ranks and veered past on either side of us. As soon as they were clear we legged it for the nearest fence and safety.

I don't know about a square stopping French Heavy Cavalry, but those cows weren't prepared to charge home either...

:)

Rodney2q
 
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We are back about bloody time too, bloody young whippersnappers grumph,grumph.
When first enlisted into the legion of maximus chaosticus we formed in a circle! but the bloody greek legionares took advantage of the outer circle, so a square it became.
Greeks taking advantage of your outer circle? Well known for that sort of thing apparently.
 

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The reason I asked if members would open fire on CIVPOP in a recent thread is because next year is the 100 anniversary of the last time the riot act was read on mainland UK. In august 1911 the riot act was read in LLanelli and two men John John and Leonard Worsell were shot dead by members of the Army
 

seaweed

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Here's a daguerrotype of my men breaking a riot - 'No.1 Marksman, one round at the man in the red shirt, FIRE!"



Bit of Lee-Enfield porn for you there, too. Even if they are those modern ones.
 

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The reason I asked if members would open fire on CIVPOP in a recent thread is because next year is the 100 anniversary of the last time the riot act was read on mainland UK. In august 1911 the riot act was read in LLanelli and two men John John and Leonard Worsell were shot dead by members of the Army
Well that's OK then boyo. They were Welsh after all.
 
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Here's a daguerrotype of my men breaking a riot - 'No.1 Marksman, one round at the man in the red shirt, FIRE!"



Bit of Lee-Enfield porn for you there, too. Even if they are those modern ones.
What no fixed bayonets!!! Standards old chap standards, they don't like it up them.

Bayonets were fixed in 1969 in Ulster, (a little before my time, well 10 years before my time, but I was patrolling with the Bren LMG, SLR, A41 and Pye radio's in 1978/79).
 
#17
....... and two men had to double out and lay mine tape twenty yards in front of the square. Anyone crossing it got it - with an SLR not these plastic things. They were warned by a banner in Chinese (ex Malaya), never mind it was NI training.
 
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Here's a daguerrotype of my men breaking a riot - 'No.1 Marksman, one round at the man in the red shirt, FIRE!"



Bit of Lee-Enfield porn for you there, too. Even if they are those modern ones.
Bloody hell beaten to it again! The bugger in the red shirt popped up in N. Rhodesia as well ! In the Colonial Police we did a lot of real riot control, both after the Magistrates reading of the riot act and mostly without it (the bugger didn't like to come out when it was dark or too dodgy) I never remember the forming of a square but plenty of "right & left block streets"!
I remember in one rather nasty riot where several police had already been injured by stones & bottles etc, I suddenly heard the armed section behind me working their bolts and start to take aim at some persistent missile throwers without orders. I quickly had to stand in front of them and unload their rifles one by one explaining the error of their ways as I did! The riot was eventually quelled with liberal quantities of tear gas and repeated baton charges!
 
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I do hope you remembered to have the Magistrate read the Riot Act first! And waived the appropriate large banner warning that you might open fire.

RMAS 1972
And of course holding up the banner saying "disperse" but in Arabic (as mentioned above).

Anyway, what's this "form square" thing. We called it a tortoise.
 

jim24

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Ilech,No they were not, Leonard Worsell was a Londoner who was in Wales because he had TB, he was staying in a house near the Railway where the trouble was taking place, having a shave when he went into the backyard to see what the noise was about and stopped a 303 in the chest, The sad thing is that the strike had been called off the day before and the news had not got through
 

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