Forgotten Wars

ancienturion

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Yes, indeed.
I can't speak for the last part of the campaign which is why I emphasised his bit about the early part of the trouble; when despite the grenades and assassinations, many things, for example both RAF and charter airlines like British Caledonian. carried on pretty much as normal
Yes, our Geoffrey is swinging the lamp so much that you have to wonder whether he was actually there.

Perhaps Geoffrey had been a student of Mrs Clinton.
 

ancienturion

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Helm

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Something along those lines I think, I may be mistaken, but wasn't there even some fake footage of her ducking in a helmet and flak jacket?
 

ancienturion

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Something along those lines I think, I may be mistaken, but wasn't there even some fake footage of her ducking in a helmet and flak jacket?

Dunno. Just remember reading about it.
 

Hexi Bloke

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Something along those lines I think, I may be mistaken, but wasn't there even some fake footage of her ducking in a helmet and flak jacket?
Sounds about right, the Clintons, and ducking, and helmets, seems to be a familiar theme lol
 

Hexi Bloke

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I wear mine on my pajamas.

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The Gulf War, doesn't seem that long ago, in my memory anyway, but do you feel it is/has become a forgotten war? Maybe overshadowed by the Iraq War and Afghan? I know recently a memorial was in place at the National Arboretum.
I believe, and I didn't serve in that war, that it is becoming forgotten and it shouldn't be. It was a massive undertaking, thankfully casualties were relatively light, but it could easily have been a real nightmare if WMD had been used.
 

Bubbles_Barker

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Bubbles_Barker

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Indeed: I've had some old crunt get in my face for 'double dipping' because of this

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My own Chest Of Great Fierceness includes both Gulf medal and the 'KUWAIT' clasp to the GSM.

'Oi!', says the gobshite, 'you can't do that!' Actually yes, you can, you smelly old man, because it was for 2 distinct operations.

As to UNPROFOR, it was much the same process: it being an operation under UN auspices, they got to hand out the bling so UK didn't need to recognise service there*.

For those lucky people who got to remain after peace broke out, they removed their bullet-proof light Blue berets and donned Regimental/Corps berets.

And, if they had the correct number of days, segued into another medal.

Meh. It's the way of the world: 2 separate operations without handing in your bedding.
Same in East Timor if you were there at the UN transition between INTERFET and UNTAET - a heady mixture of INTERFET Medal, UNTAET Medal, Australian Active Service Medal (if you were on exchange). If you were a Brit you could accept the AASM as a keepsake only as the INTERFET Medal was authorised for wear by the Queen, once the UN took over it was the same for UNTAET.

No double medalling!
 
It was worse in Malaya ... How the Morning Star exposed Britain’s decapitation war crimes

snip "Among these crimes was the military policy to kill pro-independence fighters and decapitate their heads from their corpses. The existence of this policy was denied by the government but was exposed when on April 28 1952 the Daily Worker, which later became the Morning Star, released photographic evidence of decapitations.
Not only had the British military allowed these decapitations but it employed specialist Dyak tribal head-hunters from Borneo to do this work for them. The British government initially denied that the decapitations were genuine, but ended up admitting they were after the Daily Worker released a second set of photographs on May 10 1952 showing yet more evidence.
The most notorious justification was that the decapitations were necessary for identification purposes because camera equipment would not operate in the damp climate of the Malayan jungles."


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If I recall official reports (and memoirs of British troops) correctly (rather than Morning-Star propaganda, my apologies) the heads belonged to individuals who had been killed by village-guard units, deep in the jungle somewhere. The reason given by the guards for the head-ectomies was that they couldn't / wouldn't carry the complete bodies for a couple of days to meet police and troops. When a few squaddies got an opportunity for an 'interesting' souvenir photo, the inevitable happened, and history became based on the opinion which is in turn based on preconceptions which are based on ???
 
If I recall official reports (and memoirs of British troops) correctly (rather than Morning-Star propaganda, my apologies) the heads belonged to individuals who had been killed by village-guard units, deep in the jungle somewhere. The reason given by the guards for the head-ectomies was that they couldn't / wouldn't carry the complete bodies for a couple of days to meet police and troops. When a few squaddies got an opportunity for an 'interesting' souvenir photo, the inevitable happened, and history became based on the opinion which is in turn based on preconceptions which are based on ???
I think it was because CT's killed in contacts by British patrols in the jungle had to be identified by Special Branch for Int purposes. They would just take the heads until the RM/Morning Star photo op. After that they had to carry out the bodies on a wooden pole like African hunters which wasn't fun in the hot, humid Malay jungle. The RM and Morning Star weren't too popular.
 

Bubbles_Barker

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Pteranadon

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I had not realised the significance of the err "Colonial policing" of Palestine. The Palestine Arab uprising 1936 -1939 took two divisions to supress. One commanded by Montgomery the other by O'Connor. Estimates of Arab dead are comparable to the more recent Israeli suppresison of the Intifada. Although this is considered a win for the security forces, the Arabs were successful in achievign their main political objective of ending Jewish immigration. Post WW2 there was the Jewish insurrection with Zionists copying the IRA playbook and the British emplpying Bernard Fergusson and Roy Farran with ex British Special Forces to find them.
 

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