Forgetting your firearm

P229 or P239 in .357 SIG and an ASP.
Are they standard for Federal Air Marshals? I politely never ask my chap as it is none of my business what he does or carries in the office.

I’d have thought some kind of electric zapper would have been useful too.
 

Tool

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Anyway one team of 5 I think , very hot day, middle of nowhere, decided to have a break and swim in the local water pool by a river to cool off. Left their R1s or SLRs in the rover.

Having a great time , cooling off , until a group of terrs walked up to their rover, took their gats . Walked from the rover to the pool and killed all of them.
SAPS (SA Police Service) did the same in 1982. We (the Army) would capture suspected terrs and take them to the nearest cop shop, where they would do the interrogation. We had two suspects and there were two cops in their vehicle who agreed to take the suspects back with them. They left the two terrs in the back seat with the cops' weapons. Cue two dead cops and two terrs armed with an SMG, a R4 and two service pistols within walking distance of the border with Zimbabwe. Dunno why they didn't take the vehicle.
 
SAPS (SA Police Service) did the same in 1982. We (the Army) would capture suspected terrs and take them to the nearest cop shop, where they would do the interrogation. We had two suspects and there were two cops in their vehicle who agreed to take the suspects back with them. They left the two terrs in the back seat with the cops' weapons. Cue two dead cops and two terrs armed with an SMG, a R4 and two service pistols within walking distance of the border with Zimbabwe. Dunno why they didn't take the vehicle.

Tom Sharpe walt.
 
Got to be a bit hazy with the details on this one....
The Major was busted to Sergeant, we saw him a week later, on the 'water run', he was driving this time.
Bullshit, US Officers do not get reduced to enlisted men even via Courtmartial. if the offence is so egregious they are cashiered but not reduced to enlisted rank
 
Must have. I know an Air Marshal, ex-USMC, he told me they have to avoid making holes in planes. Ammo and armament is one of those don't ask subjects so I have no idea what he carries when working.
Colt experimented with a .38 revolver for Eastern Airlines pilots which fired a plaster projectile intended not to penetrate a fuselage OR perpetrator.

 
WO2 colleague of mine at CMDO Log Regt, managed to leave a Land Rover with about a sections worth of weapons, including a Gimpy IIRC, outside one of the Tom's Granny's house, while they went in for a cup of tea and cake. It was nicked by the Old Bill, the WO2 (being a bit of a stroker), bribed one of the lads to take the hit. It all came out in the wash when he refused to pay up.
L** H****, you always were a ******* tube!

Edit to add: Needless to say the WO2 did not remain a WO2, and did not retire with a RSM's pension either, the tube.
 
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In april 2005 I came in from night patrol around 0700 in Baghdad. Was at the clearing barrel for my M4 and 12 Gauge when I see on the next barrell.
1X9mm round
1XM9 magazine
1XM9 pistol sans lanyard

I look around see no one except my section

CHRISTMAS!

Immediately put the round back in the mag an scoop up my new roscoe quite pleased with myself
Sudden dust cloud as a HMMWV arrives and out jumps a full bird

"Thank Fcuk Sar'nt, you found my pistol" and takes it back. He was clearing it when they got a radio call and drove off. and had suddenly realized

I was so thrilled as you can imagine.
 
In april 2005 I came in from night patrol around 0700 in Baghdad. Was at the clearing barrel for my M4 and 12 Gauge bore when I see on the next barrel.
1X9mm round
1XM9 magazine
1XM9 pistol sans lanyard

I look around see no one except my section

CHRISTMAS!

Immediately put the round back in the mag an scoop up my new roscoe quite pleased with myself
Sudden dust cloud as a HMMWV arrives and out jumps a full bird

"Thank Fcuk Sar'nt, you found my pistol" and takes it back. He was clearing it when they got a radio call and drove off. and had suddenly realized

I was so thrilled as you can imagine.
 
You would have thought so. Shooting on planes is a pretty specialist skill to ensure that holes from bullets do not cause annoying depressurization at 35000 feet. The Federal Airmarshalls go through some pretty intense shooty drills training.
Pressure vessels leak anyway and are continually topped up by filtered and cooled bleed air. Couple of small holes are not going to make a lot of difference.


Must have. I know an Air Marshal, ex-USMC, he told me they have to avoid making holes in planes. Ammo and armament is one of those don't ask subjects so I have no idea what he carries when working.
Probably because repair and recertification is expensive. Lots of wiring and plumbing under those panels.
 
SAPS (SA Police Service) did the same in 1982. We (the Army) would capture suspected terrs and take them to the nearest cop shop, where they would do the interrogation. We had two suspects and there were two cops in their vehicle who agreed to take the suspects back with them. They left the two terrs in the back seat with the cops' weapons. Cue two dead cops and two terrs armed with an SMG, a R4 and two service pistols within walking distance of the border with Zimbabwe. Dunno why they didn't take the vehicle.
Thicko cops have form. Used to have to carry one on the vehicle with us patrolling townships as campers and they were mostly OK, with a heavy scattering of utter arseclowns. Picked up an old lady after curfew one night, who the guys were just going to leave to go about her business. The cops were nominally in charge and this shithead insisted we take her in so she joined us in the vehicle.

Idiot cop spent the trip giving her a hard time and when we debussed at the cop shop, he tried shoving her. One of the guys caught her and helped her down but the cop woke up in the sick bay after landing face first on the tarmac.

We have no idea how that happened, although the DriFoot boot print between his shoulder blades may have been a clue.
 
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I posted this 10yrs ago


The one incident I am ashamed of was one in BAOR where I had had a skinfull, drove home, and back to camp and then back home again.
I won't go into details, but I'd been somehwere where we were required to be armed (nothing sneaky-beaky). I ended up, with another guy, getting lashed mainly on free beer, being picked up by the duty driver and then dropped off by my car parked on the parade square. I Jumped in and drove home, via the main gate. Got home, opened the boot to retrieve my bag, glad that I'd made it and only then to notice the 9mm and 10 rds still in the boot.
Drove back to camp and managed, god knows how, to evade detection by the Guard Commander when I handed the pistol and rounds back in.

Had I been caught, I suspect it wouldn't have been pretty. Since then I've been VERY VERY careful about not drinking & driving.

 
Bullshit, US Officers do not get reduced to enlisted men even via Courtmartial. if the offence is so egregious they are cashiered but not reduced to enlisted rank
But what about all those war films ???

edited to add, I thought so, ARRSER'S favourite film;
"Private Kelly (Clint Eastwood), a former lieutenant scapegoated for a failed infantry assault..."

...and Hollywood is always right
 
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I think the same happens in the British Army.
I do think British officers were reduced to the ranks if the plan was to execute them by firing squad.

I only know this because I did a bit of research to disprove a very annoying lefty woman local newspaper columnist who piled in on the WW1 firing squad argument claiming only ORs were picked on for this punishment.

There were at least two who were dealt with this way for murder, desertion etc.

Sorry for the thread drift, just thought it might be of interest.
 

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When my brother was in the RAF (before he saw the light & transferred to the Army) he was on some combined staff exercise as (SO3 Holiday Inn and Pink Gin requisitions), working with a RAF OF5 (i/c 5* hotel bookings presumably). On a 2-week exercise the OF5 left his rifle and/or webbing:
  • In the Ops Room (several times)
  • Outside the HQ tent
  • On the bonnet of his Land Rover
  • A couple of other places that I can no longer remember
It got to the point where as soon as the guard got a report of an unattended weapon, they'd call my brother directly to check if he could eyeball the Group Captain and his rifle. Many boxes of biscuits were bought to prevent it being reported up the chain.
 
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Tiger-Monkey2

War Hero
We routinely have armed plain clothes Ministry of Justice officers (not police or prison officers, but something separate) officers on site along with our own armed officers. We have had two incidents of of weapons left in the toilets. Remarkably despite being several years apart they were left in not only the same toilet but the same cubicle. One of theirs and one of ours.

Many many years ago when I was still an infanteer in the mortar platoon an MFC corporal lost a flare pistol by leaving it on the bonnet of his Landrover while driving across Otterburn TA. The platoon spent many hours searching the roadside in the vain hunt of finding it. Situation not good. Final result; turned out it had been left in his locker in the accommodation and not taken out that day. Lots of beer at his expense for all of us at his expense. He eventually made it to RSM.
 
When my brother was in the RAF (before he saw the light & transferred to the Army) he was on some combined staff exercise as (SO3 Holiday Inn and Pink Gin requisitions), working with a RAF OF5 (i/c 5* hotel bookings presumably). On a 2-week exercise the OF5 left his rifle and/or webbing:
  • In the Ops Room (several times)
  • Outside the HQ tent
  • On the bonnet of his Land Rover
  • A couple of other places that I can no longer remember
It got to the point where as soon as the guard got a report of an unattended weapon, they'd call my brother directly to check if he could eyeball the 1* and his rifle. Many boxes of biscuits were bought to prevent it being reported up the chain.
An RAF 1* with a rifle? You sure about that?
 

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