forestry commission sell off

#4
What about selling off all the forestry land in Westminster?

I say forest due to the creatures that work there (who only coming out at night) and the sly old Foxes that slither up and down the corridors...............not to mention the Magpies that steal anything shiny and the bugs that get under the bark (skin) and irritate the shit out of you................!!!!

And did I mention the Highwayman who hides in the Forest and then steals from the masses on Budget day...............
 
#5
Tax free triples all round for the rich then.

Forestry tax breaks has been used by successive governments, allowing those who have to 'invest'. They now can chop up there forests, sell the crop and sell the land tax free - if they get the licence. Woopee for them. Some forest was initiated as science projects and funded by private investors through this tax scheme(s). The projects for example, looked at water tables and there effect by trees and tree types and the projects had a finite life anyway.

I'm just jealous to be honest. If I could rip off the populous I would too.
 
#6
Thatcher tried to sell off the forests as well. It was found that the majority of land was on a 999 year lease and that there was a Caveat (?) that softwoods would have to be cleared and then replanted with native hardwoods: At this point the scheme was quietly dropped.
No doubt the present incumbants may have found some way around the problem - I hope not
 
#8
Untidy places anyway.
 
#9
A very short lived thread as once the forests have gone I'm not convinced the UK has anything else left to sell. What do we actually export nowadays, certainly not cars or coal, what generates our GDP?
 
#10
What about selling off all the forestry land in Westminster?

I say forest due to the creatures that work there (who only coming out at night) and the sly old Foxes that slither up and down the corridors...............not to mention the Magpies that steal anything shiny and the bugs that get under the bark (skin) and irritate the shit out of you................!!!!

And did I mention the Highwayman who hides in the Forest and then steals from the masses on Budget day...............
I always though of it as fat cats scratching each others backs and pigs in suits feeding at a trough of pounds and wiping their snouts on the Union Flag.
 
#11
A very short lived thread as once the forests have gone I'm not convinced the UK has anything else left to sell. What do we actually export nowadays, certainly not cars or coal, what generates our GDP?
Most of our power/utilities/public transport are owned by foreign companies, they will probably sell the forest to a US strip logging company and the UK will be de-forested in about 5 years.
 
#12
A percentage of GDP is from the City of London and the organisations operating therein. This FACT annoys the idiot Cable and the French EU Commissioner for 'business' so much, that they are trying to destroy the City. The banks and the insurance companies will continue to operate in sensible places such as: New York; various Caribbean island states; the Gulf; India; Singapore and Hong Kong.

Brown, the unbridled oaf, may have gone, but the politics of ENVY, SPITE and MALICE lives on - hence Miliband E and the repugnant and unblinking, goggle-eyed bigoy Balls.

City based organisations paid £59,000,000,000 in taxes in 2009. The clusters of Labour represented rotten boroughs in the North East, Scotland, Wales and Merseyside, paid somewhat less, but consumed much more in BENEFITS!!

Hurry through the Bill to rid the albatross round our necks that is Labour's rotten boroughs!
 
#13
A percentage of GDP is from the City of London and the organisations operating therein. This FACT annoys the idiot Cable and the French EU Commissioner for 'business' so much, that they are trying to destroy the City. The banks and the insurance companies will continue to operate in sensible places such as: New York; various Caribbean island states; the Gulf; India; Singapore and Hong Kong.

Brown, the unbridled oaf, may have gone, but the politics of ENVY, SPITE and MALICE lives on - hence Miliband E and the repugnant and unblinking, goggle-eyed bigoy Balls.

City based organisations paid £59,000,000,000 in taxes in 2009. The clusters of Labour represented rotten boroughs in the North East, Scotland, Wales and Merseyside, paid somewhat less, but consumed much more in BENEFITS!!

Hurry through the Bill to rid the albatross round our necks that is Labour's rotten boroughs!
Oh dear, if I had my way the Bankers would be in Prison were they belong, actually thats a lie I would shoot them! why on Earth should I as a tax payer, pay for Bankers Casino. If they want to go let them, but stop those who do from doing any future deals in this country, as for santuary in the Countrys you mentioned theres an old saying you can run but you can't hide! and the clocks ticking.

The Goverment are doing as most British goverments do, wreck sell and steal from this once great nation, I can only hope they dont get their way with this evil action. Bast**ds!
 
#14
The banks operated under a regulatory regime authorised by the oaf Brown and as advised by the manic Balls.

Admittedly, some 'banks' such as Northern Rock, Bradford & Bingley and Halifax Bank of Scotland were simply stupid in their 'greed' for market share and expansion, but this 'greed' was permitted by the idiotic pair of Brown and Balls - aided by Miliband E.

Now, does anyone notice something about the names listed above? If I add Lloyd's 'rescue' of Royal Bank of Scotland does that give a clue? OK, for those either disinterested or unable to see the connections: they are all 'northern' or 'Scottish'. The oaf couldn't have banks failing in his rotten boroughs could he?

Did Barclay's fail; or Standard Chartered; or Nationwide; or HSBC? Nope.

My point being that if the clowns Brown, Balls and Miliband had not played out their socialist doctrine and stopped interfering (impossible for Brown) then it is possible the bale-outs may not have been needed. Certainly the twerps in charge at NR and HBOS needed sacking, but because two idiots ruined two organisations, it does not mean 'bankers are *******'.

The ******* in this whole scenario are: Brown; Balls and Miliband E.
 

TheIronDuke

ADC
Book Reviewer
#15
A Tory Government selling assets that belong to you and me? Say its not so. I was up in Skye last summer. Scottish Forestry Comission was harvesting horrible softwood and replacing it with indiginous hardwood, broadleaf etc and doing stuff to encourage wildlife, and putting in paths, benches etc. Will the pension funds and fat cats follow this example when they get their hands on our forests? Answers on a post card please.
 
#16
Will the pension funds and fat cats follow this example when they get their hands on our forests? Answers on a post card please.
If its financially viable, yes.
 
#17
thats a no then.
re the bankers it was a global problem brought on by the yanks playing fast and loose with property and flogging the results off. I doubt the torys would have done anything much diffrent both parties were keen on deregualtion letting that market control things.
Which is fine as long as the "market" if it fucks up can't screw everything else up.
creative banking like creative accountancy needs to be watched like a hawk play with your own money but if its going to bring everybody else down no way in hell.
 

jarrod248

LE
Gallery Guru
#18
The forestry commission campsites are a good little earner, they just make a clearing, pop some hard standing in and bogs. They have some with log cabins, money all year 'round on land that would otherwise be idle.
 

Alsacien

MIA
Moderator
#19
A Tory Government selling assets that belong to you and me? Say its not so. I was up in Skye last summer. Scottish Forestry Comission was harvesting horrible softwood and replacing it with indiginous hardwood, broadleaf etc and doing stuff to encourage wildlife, and putting in paths, benches etc. Will the pension funds and fat cats follow this example when they get their hands on our forests? Answers on a post card please.
Not sure that putting in paths and benches is going to encourage wildlife much......
But I digress.
Forestry management is a topic I often discuss with a neighbour who works for the frog equivalent - the Office National Forestiere. Dramatically different approaches can be seen either side of the Rhine in the German Black Forest and French Vosges. The Germans cut and plant in their efficient German way, and in order to get the timber out new access tracks and metalled roads are constantly being added, the only places not cut appear to be places with difficult or un-economic access, and few areas in tourist spots and beauty spots.
Les Froggies are less interested in the commerce and put the community first. The result is the majority of hill higher slopes are natural (and >50% deciduous), and the cutting/planting takes place in the valleys. Planting of hardwoods also happens in the Black Forest - with a payoff at least a generation away, whereas in the Vosges only selected individual trees are cut and renewal happens naturally.
I dont think it matters whether logging is commercially run or state run - but what is clear is that state control and regulation are needed to effectively manage the assets and balance the various needs.
 

TheIronDuke

ADC
Book Reviewer
#20
This is worth a read from some Hippy in the Guardian *Linky*

"The state has no business being a lumberjack. The Forestry Commission only controls 18% of Britain's woodlands and has by no means been the best guardian of them. For most of its existence – but less so now – it has gone about ripping up ancient forests and heathlands and covering them in industrial coniferous monoculture."
 

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