Foreign criminals escape removal

#1
Just when i thought the government could not be any more incompetent, this happens... :roll:


Charles Clarke has apologised for the release of more than 1,000 foreign prisoners who should have been deported at the end of their sentence.

The number includes three murderers and nine rapists, Home Office figures show.

Mr Clarke said he could not say "hand on heart" that they would all be tracked down, "but we are working on that very energetically".

He said the failure was "deeply regrettable" and conceded that people will be angered by the oversight.


The home secretary said the prisoners, who were released between February 1999 and March 2006, should have been considered for deportation or removal.

So far the Immigration and Nationality Directorate (IND) has located 107 of the total, leading to 20 deportations.
Beeb
 
#3
Let's see... 1,000 criminals should have been deported but went free.

107 were subsequently found. Of these, 20 were deported.

What happened to the other 87?
 
#4
"There are a large number of people involved. I can't say hand on heart that we will identify where each one of those is, but we are working on that very energetically."

Can we take that as a NO then. Fat, usless waster. Get a grip of your department and stop being a breathing political mistake.


fastmedic
 
#5
So Clarke takes full responsibility but won't resign. Why is that not surprising? :?

Wonder if there are any figures on these punters reoffending?

Another good reason for a more robust immigration policy.
 
#8
The bigger picture - 10000 foreign prisoners. 10000 people have come to the UK, committed an offence, the police have spent time to identify them, gain evidence and arrest them, the lawyers have prosecuted, defended and appealed in front of a judge(s) who have passed sentence. They are then looked after at Her Majesty's pleasure for half their sentence (likely reduced to a third if they get tagged) before being released.

Now I'm not brandishing all 10000 as immigrants but there are at least 1023 who have come over here looking for a better life, free housing, healthcare, food, microwaves, televisions etc and committed a crime. I suspect the figure is much greater and these are only the bu66ers the police have actually managed to arrest and obtain a successful conviction of - before the defence lawyers get them off on technicalities, human rights etc.

and this gets me thinking further:
1. How much money has been spent so far on these criminals?
2. How much money will have to be spent to find them again?
3. What else could this money have been spent on?
4. How have the crime statistics been affected by these foreign criminals? An increase no doubt.
5. How much safer would the streets be without them ever having come to this country?
6. I agree with Lucky Jim - 107 have been rearrested and only 20 dpeorted. Why? If they have committed an offence and are to be deported then deport them on the next available plane, boat, canoe out of here. Certainly don't keep them in a purpose built holding area which they then burn down.
7. Why, when a Kosovan gets killed in the street by Serbs (or vice versa) the local newspaper has a 2 inch article which states something to the effect of "A white man was killed by a gang of white men early on....." They aren't allowed to report the nationalities because it is believed that this will only incite further violence.
8. I'm all for those foreigners being treated under UK Law (tougher sentences and actually serving the full term though, please) but what if they were to be tried under their own law? (parts of Bradford are already claiming they want to adopt Sharia (spelling) Law) - thieves would have their hands cut off, rapists would be executed / have their nads cut off... The list goes on and I'm not too certain of the facts which is why I'm stopping there but you get the gist. A large proportion must be feeling that the punishment is lighter in the UK than in their own country and therefore they don't mind committing the crime.
9. I'm certainly not suggesting that Brits are whiter than white - we have our fair share of prisoners overseas but would you rather be Ford Open Prison or Sing Sing? or other notorious prisons in Columbia, Thailand, Cambodia, America.....
10. I always thought the top man (or woman) who openly admitted responsibility for such a c*ck up (and repeated c*ock ups) would actually be held responsible for them and then asked to account for them - the Mess Webbly sounds just perfect.

Final point - well done to all involved.
 
#11
From elsewhere on this forum (there's two threads running!)

Of course it's not a resigning issue, after all it's only murderers, rapists and the like he's allowed to stay in this country.

What's the betting they all qualify for nationalisation as well, plus housing benefits and all the trimmings!

How can this be anything but a resignation issue for goodness sake? It makes the NHS look positively healthy!

Anyone know the 1,023 days of Christmas?

On the nth day of Christmas Charles Clarke he let go free:
3 murderers
9 rapists
5 convicted of sex offences on children
7 convicted of other sex offences
57 convicted for violent offences
2 manslaughter
41 burglars
20 drug importers
54 convicted of assault
27 convicted of indecent assault
and government that looked weak and shaky!
 
#12
Quote on BBC:

Former Home Secretary David Blunkett called the problems "astonishing". "My view is that heads should roll," he said.

If this all happened between February 1999 and March 2006, it seems probable that most disappearances occured on his watch!!! He's a fine one to talk! Too much trouble deciding which eye to turn. But of course, he was more interested in 'Spectating'. :wink:
 
#13
diesel_weasel said:
The bigger picture - 10000 foreign prisoners. 10000 people have come to the UK, committed an offence, the police have spent time to identify them, gain evidence and arrest them, the lawyers have prosecuted, defended and appealed in front of a judge(s) who have passed sentence. They are then looked after at Her Majesty's pleasure for half their sentence (likely reduced to a third if they get tagged) before being released.

Now I'm not brandishing all 10000 as immigrants but there are at least 1023 who have come over here looking for a better life, free housing, healthcare, food, microwaves, televisions etc and committed a crime. I suspect the figure is much greater and these are only the bu66ers the police have actually managed to arrest and obtain a successful conviction of - before the defence lawyers get them off on technicalities, human rights etc.

and this gets me thinking further:
1. How much money has been spent so far on these criminals?
2. How much money will have to be spent to find them again?
3. What else could this money have been spent on?
4. How have the crime statistics been affected by these foreign criminals? An increase no doubt.
5. How much safer would the streets be without them ever having come to this country?
6. I agree with Lucky Jim - 107 have been rearrested and only 20 dpeorted. Why? If they have committed an offence and are to be deported then deport them on the next available plane, boat, canoe out of here. Certainly don't keep them in a purpose built holding area which they then burn down.
7. Why, when a Kosovan gets killed in the street by Serbs (or vice versa) the local newspaper has a 2 inch article which states something to the effect of "A white man was killed by a gang of white men early on....." They aren't allowed to report the nationalities because it is believed that this will only incite further violence.
8. I'm all for those foreigners being treated under UK Law (tougher sentences and actually serving the full term though, please) but what if they were to be tried under their own law? (parts of Bradford are already claiming they want to adopt Sharia (spelling) Law) - thieves would have their hands cut off, rapists would be executed / have their nads cut off... The list goes on and I'm not too certain of the facts which is why I'm stopping there but you get the gist. A large proportion must be feeling that the punishment is lighter in the UK than in their own country and therefore they don't mind committing the crime.
9. I'm certainly not suggesting that Brits are whiter than white - we have our fair share of prisoners overseas but would you rather be Ford Open Prison or Sing Sing? or other notorious prisons in Columbia, Thailand, Cambodia, America.....
10. I always thought the top man (or woman) who openly admitted responsibility for such a c*ck up (and repeated c*ock ups) would actually be held responsible for them and then asked to account for them - the Mess Webbly sounds just perfect.

Final point - well done to all involved.
That's the most outlandish thing you've said
 
#14
It would appear that this has been going on for at least six years. The Government found out about this last August and since they have found out they have let a further 288 people that should have been deported are now lose in Britain. After all this Clarke still reckons it has nothing to do with him and he is not going to resign. As he has been in charge since last August and has still not stopped this happening then just who is to blame.
 
#15
Its not just Clarke. This is just another example of how bad this lot are. If this had been the Tories in goverment the BBC would have made mincemeat out of them.

I think we need to have a general election sooner rather than later. This can not go on.
 
#16
He admits that he is responsible, yet not accountable! Are we fools? He needs to go so fast that the only thing left is his shadow!

Pack your kit pie boy :twisted:

fastmedic
 
#17
frenchperson said:
diesel_weasel said:
The bigger picture - 10000 foreign prisoners. 10000 people have come to the UK, committed an offence, the police have spent time to identify them, gain evidence and arrest them, the lawyers have prosecuted, defended and appealed in front of a judge(s) who have passed sentence. They are then looked after at Her Majesty's pleasure for half their sentence (likely reduced to a third if they get tagged) before being released.

Now I'm not brandishing all 10000 as immigrants but there are at least 1023 who have come over here looking for a better life, free housing, healthcare, food, microwaves, televisions etc and committed a crime. I suspect the figure is much greater and these are only the bu66ers the police have actually managed to arrest and obtain a successful conviction of - before the defence lawyers get them off on technicalities, human rights etc.

and this gets me thinking further:
1. How much money has been spent so far on these criminals?
2. How much money will have to be spent to find them again?
3. What else could this money have been spent on?
4. How have the crime statistics been affected by these foreign criminals? An increase no doubt.
5. How much safer would the streets be without them ever having come to this country?
6. I agree with Lucky Jim - 107 have been rearrested and only 20 dpeorted. Why? If they have committed an offence and are to be deported then deport them on the next available plane, boat, canoe out of here. Certainly don't keep them in a purpose built holding area which they then burn down.
7. Why, when a Kosovan gets killed in the street by Serbs (or vice versa) the local newspaper has a 2 inch article which states something to the effect of "A white man was killed by a gang of white men early on....." They aren't allowed to report the nationalities because it is believed that this will only incite further violence.
8. I'm all for those foreigners being treated under UK Law (tougher sentences and actually serving the full term though, please) but what if they were to be tried under their own law? (parts of Bradford are already claiming they want to adopt Sharia (spelling) Law) - thieves would have their hands cut off, rapists would be executed / have their nads cut off... The list goes on and I'm not too certain of the facts which is why I'm stopping there but you get the gist. A large proportion must be feeling that the punishment is lighter in the UK than in their own country and therefore they don't mind committing the crime.
9. I'm certainly not suggesting that Brits are whiter than white - we have our fair share of prisoners overseas but would you rather be Ford Open Prison or Sing Sing? or other notorious prisons in Columbia, Thailand, Cambodia, America.....
10. I always thought the top man (or woman) who openly admitted responsibility for such a c*ck up (and repeated c*ock ups) would actually be held responsible for them and then asked to account for them - the Mess Webbly sounds just perfect.

Final point - well done to all involved.
That's the most outlandish thing you've said
And your point of view is? Do you have nothing constructive to add?

I may be a new member but I have been accessing the forums for some time and I, probably unlike yourself, have read the rules for this forum. Shall I quote for you?
Ok then....
"The aim of ARRSE is for it to be both fun and informative, don't abuse it with pointless insults and petty arguments." There are others that apply but I should not have to do this.
Your petty insult was the best you could contribute to what is becoming an emotive subject throughout the UK and in numerous posts on ARRSE? If it is, then i feel sorry for you. You have also made me enter into a petty argument and go off topic, neither of which was my intention. So please grow up.
 
#18
Discussing this with someone last night, they pointed out that at least 23 of those missing should have been placed on the sex offenders register which means that names and current addresses are known. The person also has a legal obligation to report to the local police.

This came on top of an article in the Birmingham Sunday paper claiming that sex offenders in the region who had 'vanished' included one bloke who was do the pub entertainment circuit.

My sympathy is with the Police who often get the 'sharp end' abuse for errors that come out of the Civil Service and those who set the terms and conditions.

My problem is that I'm not sure that we wouldn't bet excatly the same with any of the other mainline parties.

My fear is that we might see an increase in far left/right parties which would bring in PC attitudes on one side and extremely non-PC on the other.

That said, I feel the time has come for the present Government to wake up, get real and pack their bags.

This latest episode is the cherry on the cake for many and comes at the wrong time for the local elections as far as Labour is concerned. But then again, until the SUN decided to change its allegience I assume the mindless masses will still continue to vote for the present incumbents insofar as national politics is concerned.
 
#19
The words from his 2ic and (I think but I'm not sure)Clarke
"Not a resigning matter" rang out from all the news broadcasts last
night and this morning.

All the messages in from the public are "Oh yes it is"
I have yet to hear anyone say
"Well done" "More please"

My view ?

GO NOW!
 

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