Ford Motor Company - Is the Corporate decline inevitable?

One of my drivers late father worked at Halewood Ford plant
My driver has had a steady stream of new Focus's on the family discount. His last two have been the 1.0 turbo petrol. They are a truly dismal car.

Halewood was originally a Ford factory producing Anglia's then Escorts
Since the mid 2000's it produced Jaguar X Types and Freelanders
I think it now produces Discovery Sport and Evoques.
I think JLR is cutting down production at Halewood. They are also moving some of the production to mainland Europe for some current and future models.
 
Amusing how some folk seem to think that their opinions happen to concur with "We the People", as if somehow all the folk who don't agree with them are second class citizens whose opinions don't count.

And whatever happened to "decent respect for the opinions of mankind"?
Actually, all the people that don't agree with me still have seem to have similar opinions of those that don't agree with them. Ask the neo-feminists, neo-liberals, skin-heads, and fascist anti-fascists where their "decent respect for the opinions of mankind" is.

I'm not sure if you intended to write that. That Trump was elected to "put off the reckoning", to avoid any hard choices, to abdicate leadership - if that's what you wanted I guess that's what you got.
Elected, partially, to "put off the reckoning" of the massive debt and neglect that Obama saddled the country with. Your interpretation of this meaning "avoiding hard choices, and abdicating leadership," must be intentionally misdirecting, if not delusional.

But on the Ford motor company. My wife was very happy with her last Ford car, but when that finally reached the end of the road they didn't have anything for sale that she wanted, when all they needed to have done was to sell a wagon/estate version of the Fusion/Mondeo.
If there was a marked bigger than your wife, and a few hundred more, then I am sure Ford would accommodate. As it is, they are shifting production mainly to SUVs, without killing US jobs.

In the meantime, when my daughter was looking for a car she avoided Ford on principle, because of how appallingly badly they treated her best friend who'd bought a Focus that was an absolute nightmare. That took three new transmissions before they finally took it back and returned most of her money..
Those 2010-2016 "PowerShift" dual clutch transmissions were damn near as bad as the Sport Shift II in my Aston Martin Vantage, which had many more problems than just the transmission. Aston Martin's track record of service, recall record, and admission of guilt on these issues falls well behind Ford.

I may have some fond recollections of an ancient Cortina but while my 25 year old MX-5 still runs it's hard to justify getting anything else. If I did the Tesla Model 3 performance variant that I got a chance to test drive would be at the top of the list, a very, very different experience but highly amusing in its own way. The traditional manufacturers really have dropped the ball in allowing a newcomer like Tesla, with a very shoddy manufacturing and reliability record, to become established as a credible and aspirational alternative.
Yes, credible and inspirational in how they get to retain ownership of the best parts of functionality that they can arbitrarily turn off at their own pleasure, and charge you exorbitant fees to reestablish certification to be able to enjoy the benefits of that functionality you perpetually lease.
 
Actually, all the people that don't agree with me still have seem to have similar opinions of those that don't agree with them. Ask the neo-feminists, neo-liberals, skin-heads, and fascist anti-fascists where their "decent respect for the opinions of mankind" is.



Elected, partially, to "put off the reckoning" of the massive debt and neglect that Obama saddled the country with. Your interpretation of this meaning "avoiding hard choices, and abdicating leadership," must be intentionally misdirecting, if not delusional.



If there was a marked bigger than your wife, and a few hundred more, then I am sure Ford would accommodate. As it is, they are shifting production mainly to SUVs, without killing US jobs.



Those 2010-2016 "PowerShift" dual clutch transmissions were damn near as bad as the Sport Shift II in my Aston Martin Vantage, which had many more problems than just the transmission. Aston Martin's track record of service, recall record, and admission of guilt on these issues falls well behind Ford.



Yes, credible and inspirational in how they get to retain ownership of the best parts of functionality that they can arbitrarily turn off at their own pleasure, and charge you exorbitant fees to reestablish certification to be able to enjoy the benefits of that functionality you perpetually lease.
Ooooh Aston Martin! Go you!
 
Of course you can buy cars that appreciate, but they are very rarely daily drivers. I’m also not convinced that when you properly account for the cost of capital and consider the opportunity costs, they are actually appreciating.

Not sure how a 80 series Landcruiser or a Willys Jeep would fit into my routine daily business. People who drive 50k miles or more a year don’t do it in classic cars for a reason.
Agree with you regards the Jeep ;-) and if you don't need 4x4 the Landcruiser although it will do 30mpg and they are renowned for being barely run in at 500k miles so still capable of 50k a year for many years .
The W124 Merc or indeed the later 2006-2008 E320D will eat miles and not cost a fortune to buy or run , same with BMW's and Audis of that era if you avoid the known duff models and the Mercs from the wafer thin paint and pre rusty steel era .
 
Agree with you regards the Jeep ;-) and if you don't need 4x4 the Landcruiser although it will do 30mpg and they are renowned for being barely run in at 500k miles so still capable of 50k a year for many years .
The W124 Merc or indeed the later 2006-2008 E320D will eat miles and not cost a fortune to buy or run , same with BMW's and Audis of that era if you avoid the known duff models and the Mercs from the wafer thin paint and pre rusty steel era .
Tell me about it. That's why I keep mine around for a while.

 
There does seem to be a general, malaise, shared between the USA manufacturers.

Whilst this has been recognised, accepted, by Ford (the reason for starting this thread); and by Fiat Chrysler (FCA); it would seem the situation has yet to be even acknowledged by GM . . . .

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Published by: Lawrence Allan, AUTOCAR magazine, on 29 November 2018.

"Despite plenty of talk of the death of the motor show, most major carmakers still put in considerable effort to draw in punters to their displays and stands. The Los Angeles motor show was still teaming with people eager to poke and prod at most brand’s latest models. Except, that is, on General Motors’ show stands.

GM’s big brands were there, alright, with the sizeable stands and full spectrum of product that you’d expect for its home market show. But every time I walked past the Cadillac, Buick, GMC and even Chevrolet stands, the people looking after the exhibits outnumbered the visitors looking at the cars.

Yes, it was a media day and the halls were not full of buying public, but I still suspect the punters have little interest in what GM’s formerly dominant brands have to offer. The buzz was over at the German and Japanese makers, most with something new and/or relatively exciting to show off, whereas none of GM’s stands had an all-new car on display . . . . ".

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There does seem to be a general, malaise, shared between the USA manufacturers.

Whilst this has been recognised, accepted, by Ford (the reason for starting this thread); and by Fiat Chrysler (FCA); it would seem the situation has yet to be even acknowledged by GM . . . .

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Published by: Lawrence Allan, AUTOCAR magazine, on 29 November 2018.

"Despite plenty of talk of the death of the motor show, most major carmakers still put in considerable effort to draw in punters to their displays and stands. The Los Angeles motor show was still teaming with people eager to poke and prod at most brand’s latest models. Except, that is, on General Motors’ show stands.

GM’s big brands were there, alright, with the sizeable stands and full spectrum of product that you’d expect for its home market show. But every time I walked past the Cadillac, Buick, GMC and even Chevrolet stands, the people looking after the exhibits outnumbered the visitors looking at the cars.

Yes, it was a media day and the halls were not full of buying public, but I still suspect the punters have little interest in what GM’s formerly dominant brands have to offer. The buzz was over at the German and Japanese makers, most with something new and/or relatively exciting to show off, whereas none of GM’s stands had an all-new car on display . . . . ".

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One things OEMs need to realize is that LA show has always been about high end products/ new innovative products. No one is going to look at some run of the mill Chevys or Fords. Whoever signed off on this is an idiot. They could've taken a much smaller space and gotten a better impact. Or skip it all together. Volvo has decided it wants to do only 2 shows globally and that's it.
 
Hemi? Is that what you have to say? I posted that "thing" trying to elicit a comment from you about how fugly it is and how it makes your 1500 look positively subtle.
It doesn't look much different to the prior generation; bit of a higher/more rectangular grille, but I'm just not a GM fan. At least they've put decent size wheels on it. I always thought the Silverados looked a bit odd with the squared off wheel arches and small wheels.

My preference in these things is 1. Mopar (because of Mr HEMI) and 2) Ford. Cos I just bought one for next to fcuk all. Its V10 sounds crap compared with my truck, but I'm too old for glass packs :)
 
Agree with you regards the Jeep ;-) and if you don't need 4x4 the Landcruiser although it will do 30mpg and they are renowned for being barely run in at 500k miles so still capable of 50k a year for many years .
The W124 Merc or indeed the later 2006-2008 E320D will eat miles and not cost a fortune to buy or run , same with BMW's and Audis of that era if you avoid the known duff models and the Mercs from the wafer thin paint and pre rusty steel era .
I’ve run a Landcruiser Prado for the last few years, taking it from 195k to 400k, averaging 70k a year (kms). So I’m pretty familiar with the costs of running one to high mileage as well as the myth of Landcruiser reliability.

It’s at the stage where it needs regular major component replacement. The interior is looking tired and dated, it lacks safety compared with a new vehicle. And it has depreciated significantly, losing 80% of what I bought it for. As for fuel use, 30 mpg in a Prado in regular use. You’re joking

It will go next year, probably to be broken up and will be replaced by a new Korean SUV on a PCP style plan. The fuel savings alone will pay for the monthly payments, the whole thing is tax deductible and I can claim the GST up front thereby halving the deposit. All I will be financing is the depreciation which as a percentage is significantly lower than on the Prado.

Modern finance deals make running new cars affordable for the mass market, opening up the opportunity of running a premium brand to many. Mondeo man has gone which is why Ford are struggling.
 
so haven't bought one that rots like ****, has a squeaky dashboard or timing chain problems ?
No. That was 3 models ago when Merc had a disasterous change to water based paints.
No, it has no squeaks or rattles at 102,000 miles
No, it hasn't had timing chain issues.
 
Oooo Errrr . . . . !!

Published by: James Brodie, AUTOEXPRESS, on 30 November 2018.

Toyota and PSA to end joint production of city cars from 2021.

Toyota agrees to purchase PSA’s share of Kolin plant where Aygo, 108 and C1 are made.

Toyota has struck a deal with PSA to take sole financial ownership of the Toyota Peugeot Citroen Automobile plant in Kolin by 2021 - production site of the Toyota Aygo, Citroen C1 and Peugeot 108 city cars.

The Japanese company states that it fully intends to continue employment and construction of the Peugeot 108, Citroen C1 and Toyota Aygo at the plant, which produced a total of 199,000 vehicles in 2017.

However, the move means joint production of A-segment cars between Toyota and PSA will end early next decade, and while Toyota has committed to producing PSA’s current generation city cars for the time being, there is no word as to whether the companies will continue to co-develop and build A-segment vehicles beyond 2021.

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Published by: Chris Isidore, CNN Business, on 03 December 2018.

Removing tariffs on American cars won't save ailing US plants.

New York (CNN Business): China is already the largest and most important market for the American auto industry. Removing tariffs on American cars exported to China isn't that big a deal.

Almost all automakers with plants in the United States already have factories in China, too. Automakers prefer to build near to where they sell vehicles. Building cars in China to serve Chinese buyers, for example, is cheaper than building them in the United States and shipping them overseas.

So automakers probably won't export significantly more cars to China from American plants if and when China removes its tariff on auto imports. President Donald Trump announced late Sunday night that China would remove its 40% tariff on American cars. The details are not yet known. Chinese government officials would not comment on the deal.

But bringing down China's tariffs won't save GM's plants in Lordstown, Ohio, or in Detroit, which the company plans to close. It also probably won't help boost automakers' at plants that are slated to remain open.

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Well . . . here is a surprise . . . !!

Published by: Nathan Bomey, USA TODAY, on 04 December 2018.

Volkswagen CEO: Trump 'has a point,' so we may make cars at Ford plants

WASHINGTON — Volkswagen Group is in talks with Ford Motor Co. to potentially make VW vehicles at Ford plants in the U.S.

VW CEO Herbert Diess told reporters following a meeting at the White House that the automaker could use some of Ford’s spare factory capacity to make the vehicles.

President Donald Trump has pressured foreign automakers to make more vehicles in the U.S. by threatening increased tariffs on imports, arguing that European duties on American cars are unfair.

His administration met Tuesday with German automotive executives, including Diess, Daimler CEO Dieter Zetsche and BMW officials.

"The president has a point in trying to convince us to invest more into America, and we are prepared to invest more," Diess said Tuesday.

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Volkswagen CEO Herbert Diess addresses the media outside the White House. Nathan Bomey, USA TODAY

Volkswagen CEO: Trump 'has a point,' so we may make cars at Ford plants
 
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Another angle on industry change. The BEV unicorns will change the way cars are sold by selling direct to the customer rather than through a dealer. A whole layer of industry jobs will go.

BEVs will require far less servicing because they’ve got less oily bits and more tech. So jobs will go there too.
 
Another angle on industry change. The BEV unicorns will change the way cars are sold by selling direct to the customer rather than through a dealer. A whole layer of industry jobs will go.

BEVs will require far less servicing because they’ve got less oily bits and more tech. So jobs will go there too.
Tesla has been trying its utmost to do this but still faces a ton of resistance from the stealerships.

Tesla US dealership disputes - Wikipedia
 

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