Forces Tax Returns - eh?

Fugly

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DirtyBAT
#1
Can't (at the moment) find a link for this on the BBC website, however twice now on Breakfast News, it has been said that British Forces in Afghanistan may be hit with a fine because they can't get their tax return in because of poor internet access.

Normally I believe everything that the lovely Susannah Ried says, however having never filled in a tax return in over 19 years because funnily enough the Army (and our 2 lesser services) have an plethora of departments to do it for me, why is this (apparent) bollocks spoiling my breakfast?
 

oldbaldy

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#2
If your only on PAYE it's highly unlikey you'll need to fill in a return unless HMRC sent you one.
She may have been referirng to those who have other income from things like renting a house out..
Enjoy your breakfast.
 

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DirtyBAT
#3
If your only on PAYE it's highly unlikey you'll need to fill in a return unless HMRC sent you one.
She may have been referirng to those who have other income from things like renting a house out..
Enjoy your breakfast.
Makes sense, thanks. If only Susannah had took the extra 10 seconds to mention it. Oh well, at least I can get back to mentally undressing her over my cornflakes, and various other comments that belong in the NAAFI Bar.
 
#4
Filling in a tax return is the responsibility of the individual, and cannot be done by his employer, who will not know all the information required. Several years ago I was required to fill in a tax return every year. I can't recall if it was hitting the higher rate tax bracket or receiving LSAP which was the trigger, but in those days, it was only th paper version, none of this online stuff. I never had any issues completing mine in time, and was incommunicado often and for quite some time. It is not a difficult task, and you have a ten month window in which to complete it, so being on ops for a fraction of that time is a lame excuse for not getting it in on time.
 
#5
HMRC say that it is not in their power to waive the £100 fine,and that an Act of Parliament would be required to change the law.However a HMRC spokesman says that if fined and it went to appeal HMRC would lose the case.
Caveat Obviously that is only what the Beeb say,so pinch of salt required.

Is Susannah still on at this time?
 
#6
As long as you talk to them and explain your situation they seem quite flexible, my SA return date has been postponed till March and mines a paper return (Should be in by Jan 14th).

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#7
Filling in a tax return is the responsibility of the individual, and cannot be done by his employer, who will not know all the information required. Several years ago I was required to fill in a tax return every year. I can't recall if it was hitting the higher rate tax bracket or receiving LSAP which was the trigger, but in those days, it was only th paper version, none of this online stuff. I never had any issues completing mine in time, and was incommunicado often and for quite some time. It is not a difficult task, and you have a ten month window in which to complete it, so being on ops for a fraction of that time is a lame excuse for not getting it in on time.
Exactly, a ten month window! Apart from those that chose to do a 12 month tour there can't be any excuses. If an extension is granted, it would only push the problem right. Also, this only affects Officers, really? I'm going to stop doing a return in that case.
 
#8
Wouldn't TA chaps be affected? How o they do their taxs?
 
#9
They mentioned Majors and above as well as Warrant Officers stating that allowances might put them into the higher tax bracket and even if you don't have to pay extra you still have to submit a tax return or be fined £100 as the rules have changed this year. You have, according to the beeb, 30 days from issue to contest the fine.
 
#11
Good way to get people panicking. There is no need to fill in a tax return if you have one job and are on PAYE(like most people). There is no need to fill in a tax return if interest on a savings account is paid net by your bank. Your employer may not fill in a tax return but they do fill in a form each year (P35 for the total and P14 for individuals) saying how much tax and NI you have paid which is sufficient. It's only if you have income from renting houses, more than one job or a job and a pension, you have so much money the interest on your bank savings puts you into the higher tax bracket etc etc. So don't worry about filling in a tax return. HMRC can't cope with those who do fill one in, if everyone in the country started sending them in the system would be a bigger farce than it already is.
HM Revenue & Customs: Do you need to complete a tax return?
 
#12
If in doubt - particularly those renting out houses it's best to employ a good local accountant/bookeeper.

For the sake of about 150 quid (which was offset against tax anyway) you will also discover lots of other sundries that can be offset against tax too. Everything is also filed correctly with HMRC and that peace of mind when you are away is worth the money by itself.
 
#13
They mentioned Majors and above as well as Warrant Officers stating that allowances might put them into the higher tax bracket and even if you don't have to pay extra you still have to submit a tax return or be fined £100 as the rules have changed this year. You have, according to the beeb, 30 days from issue to contest the fine.
If it is on the PAYE signed by the MoD... it will be on there if neccesary. I thought the OA was tax free?
 
#14
They mentioned Majors and above as well as Warrant Officers stating that allowances might put them into the higher tax bracket and even if you don't have to pay extra you still have to submit a tax return or be fined £100 as the rules have changed this year. You have, according to the beeb, 30 days from issue to contest the fine.
What allowances?
 
#16
HMRC say that it is not in their power to waive the £100 fine,and that an Act of Parliament would be required to change the law.However a HMRC spokesman says that if fined and it went to appeal HMRC would lose the case.
Caveat Obviously that is only what the Beeb say,so pinch of salt required.

Is Susannah still on at this time?
Ahem. I wrote the original code that imposes SA penalties for late returns

its been a while since then but as I remember it we designed in a field that allowed a period of grace after the returns deadline of 31/01

So you could say set that to anything from 1 to 999 days if you were so inclined. It was designed to be set to about 7 days to avoid rows with taxpayers who claimed they'd sent their return in time but where our offices had not logged it in time.

So in effect the real cut off date was 07/02 or similar

Is Forces tax still done centrally in one Welsh tax off at PD? If so it would be dead easy to just set the appropriate penalty period of grace for all cases owned by them

job jobbed

you might get a few people that are busy stacking blankets in Crewe that benefit too but it would be quicker and cheaper than dealing with a few hundred appeals and would save people that are busy fighting wars unnecessary hassle

I'm a Sian man myself
 
#17
However this would affect serving personnel who manage to do 'casual work' on their leave etc, PAYE is still reflected and should be enquired about at least? *







* Unless cash in hand work
 
#18
I used to send in a tax return every year for about 7 years when I retired. As all my pensions are paid by HMG and I get no other income, I phoned Cardiff and asked why I had to do this. The Tax Officer agreed that no more returns were required unless my income circumstances changed. That was many years ago. Still cannot understand why they don't take all my tax off one pension instead of two tho'.
 
#19
What allowances?
LSAP is classed as a 'beneficial loan' and tax has to be paid on the differece between interest that is charged on it and the interest that would be charged on the same loan at market rates. I think that basic rate tax for this is taken into account with an alteration to the tax code, but higher rate taxpayers need to submit a return to take the extra amount payable. SP is taxable, and can take people into the higher band. Both LSAP and SP are likely to be described as 'allowances' by the Media, for ease of understanding and brevity, whilst not being strictly accurate.

PS. There are plenty of higher rate taxpayers who are below Major/WO level, even if only during the year that they are in receipt of an FRI.
 
#20
I bet somewhere there is a snivel serpent more thna happy to send every Pte soldier who ever earned ED pay a tax return and expect a 20% cut to HMG. Anyone with a house rented out, wee side number doing tiling homers etc - HMRC are looking for you. A student I know got hammered for back tax for not declaring that he rented out the spare room in his flat to another student.
 

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