Force Protection Tours?

#2
Seems to be IRs to the Reg battalions these days. 7 Rifles have been trawling to supply 2 & 4 Rifles on Herrick 15 and are just having a last minute trawl for Herrick 12. Don't know if this is just a Rifles thing due having 5 reg battalions we're pretty much always guaranteed to have one about to go on tour.

I think the same is true for the Paras. Interesting to know if the Regts are in the same boat.
 
#3
ThomasFowler said:
Seems to be IRs to the Reg battalions these days. 7 Rifles have been trawling to supply 2 & 4 Rifles on Herrick 15 and are just having a last minute trawl for Herrick 12. Don't know if this is just a Rifles thing due having 5 reg battalions we're pretty much always guaranteed to have one about to go on tour.

I think the same is true for the Paras. Interesting to know if the Regts are in the same boat.
Our (Inf) lot's last tour was as a formed Coy tasked direct by Brigade. Next one will be as IRs to a Reg Bn.
 
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swampmonster

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#4
No more FP jobs for us either....Thank F@ck :)

All tours are now in support of our 5 Regular Battalions.....not a bad thing
 
#5
FP is still going on, but it is unlikely that there will be any further formed unit tours. As has been suggested, future tours will be IRs to regular units.
 
#7
ThomasFowler said:
Seems to be IRs to the Reg battalions these days. 7 Rifles have been trawling to supply 2 & 4 Rifles on Herrick 15 and are just having a last minute trawl for Herrick 12. Don't know if this is just a Rifles thing due having 5 reg battalions we're pretty much always guaranteed to have one about to go on tour.

I think the same is true for the Paras. Interesting to know if the Regts are in the same boat.
Same for 6th rifles just be warned off for supply a large number of IRs for 1 rifles next year the rock apes r doing the stagging o at bastion now :D
 
#8
Hantslad said:
that's what rockapes are for! :D
Got to love the Short Range Desert Group :)

msr
 
#10
Force protection now handed over to RAF reggy its their job after all frees up infantry for other stuff.
 

The_Duke

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#12
So after years of chat about how formed units are essential for the TA Inf, and 4 Para's route of IRs to regular Bns was not good because the blokes do not deploy with all of their mates around them....suddenly everyone agrees that FP is pump!
 
#13
The_Duke said:
So after years of chat about how formed units are essential for the TA Inf, and 4 Para's route of IRs to regular Bns was not good because the blokes do not deploy with all of their mates around them....suddenly everyone agrees that FP is pump!
It may be 'pump' and it won't win the war - but it can lose you the war in an afternoon (or any other time come to think of it) if you get it wrong..................
 
#14
The_Duke said:
So after years of chat about how formed units are essential for the TA Inf, and 4 Para's route of IRs to regular Bns was not good because the blokes do not deploy with all of their mates around them....suddenly everyone agrees that FP is pump!
Er, who ever said that? 'TA tours' were always regarded as 2nd XI amongst Infantry lads.
 
#15
Bubbles_Barker said:
The_Duke said:
So after years of chat about how formed units are essential for the TA Inf, and 4 Para's route of IRs to regular Bns was not good because the blokes do not deploy with all of their mates around them....suddenly everyone agrees that FP is pump!
It may be 'pump' and it won't win the war - but it can lose you the war in an afternoon (or any other time come to think of it) if you get it wrong..................
Yeah, but it doesn't take trained Infantrymen (i.e. blokes trained to close with and kill the enemy) to do it. Getting Inf lads to stag on instead of sending them to the FOBs and PBs was just a waste of resources.
 

The_Duke

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#16
ThomasFowler said:
The_Duke said:
So after years of chat about how formed units are essential for the TA Inf, and 4 Para's route of IRs to regular Bns was not good because the blokes do not deploy with all of their mates around them....suddenly everyone agrees that FP is pump!
Er, who ever said that? 'TA tours' were always regarded as 2nd XI amongst Infantry lads.
Try reading back through the posts before you joined the site. There are any number stating that the TA Inf should best be used deploying as formed units, best use of the TA command structure, best for the blokes as they work with their TA mates etc.

Units working primarily as IRs to regular Bn were relatively scare - you always had the odd few blokes who did it, but the OCP was centered around formed units for FP tasks. Essential (as Bubbles Barker has so preciously pointed out above) but not always a very rewarding way to spend 6 months deployed.
 
#17
ThomasFowler said:
Bubbles_Barker said:
The_Duke said:
So after years of chat about how formed units are essential for the TA Inf, and 4 Para's route of IRs to regular Bns was not good because the blokes do not deploy with all of their mates around them....suddenly everyone agrees that FP is pump!
It may be 'pump' and it won't win the war - but it can lose you the war in an afternoon (or any other time come to think of it) if you get it wrong..................
Yeah, but it doesn't take trained Infantrymen (i.e. blokes trained to close with and kill the enemy) to do it. Getting Inf lads to stag on instead of sending them to the FOBs and PBs was just a waste of resources.
And nobody does FP in PBs and FOBs? The Infantry are wasted on guard duty? It's not good enough for you? My words but that's how this is coming across.

It's a key task, requiring a similar amount of expertise as anything else - don't base it on the fact that nothing happens for most of the time - they're there for the time it does happen. And if they get it wrong these days it can be a campaign changing moment - so, take a more considered view and see it as just a different facet of the role. Yes it's dull, but so is an OP - until something happens. The trick is making sure the troops don't do it for a whole tour if at all possible.

Apologies to The_Duke for being so 'precious' but I'm not in the TA :D
 
#18
Herrick 12 for us is to be as IR's also, but I would stilll be a bit dissapointed if its the end of TA Inf formed units deploying. I was hoping my next tour I would get to take soldiers I have trained away as their platoon Sgt. Not going to happen now. Lots of need for soldiers and Jncos to mobilise, not so many seniors, and the better SNCO jobs will go to the regular NCO's (only fair, they want to deploy as Plt Sgts with their own guys too!) What jobs does that leave TA seniors?
 
#19
I could be way off mark but we were told that being RLC if we deployed that we as part of RLC would be required to do force protection on CLP's ourselves and that the parent regt would have a FP troop so that infantry wernt taken away from their main role.
 
#20
FP for the CLP's (far too many TLA's isn't there!) is some job in its self! Some of those convoys strech for miles and take a lot of incoming at times! As far as I was aware it was always a loggie job to protect their own convoys. That said they often had CVRT and mastif etc attached.
 

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