Foot Guards in trouble?

#1
Queen is in danger of losing the Guard at Buckingham Palace as the Royal’s elite Foot Guards suffer worst recruitment crisis in their history | Daily Mail Online

The three junior Guards appear to be struggling to recruit/retain, missing some 270 Guardsmen between them.

No mention of the Incremental Coys mind.

Is it soon going to be time for these 'sacred cows' to be changed? Perhaps a couple of Guards PDs Bns and a couple of Guards Service Bns a la the HCR/HCMR.

Stunning journoism by the DM again mind...

All seven regiments of the Household Division predate the English Restoration in 1660 and have been guarding the sovereign's palaces since the reign of King Charles II.
Irish Guards being formed in 1900, the Welsh in 1915. Even the Scots were technically only dated to 1661.
 
#2
It's always impressed me how the guards have recruited the kind of numbers that they did.

Without getting into a regimental d1ck comparison the thought of joining the army knowing you're going to have to experience more bullsh1t than most with all the drill, uniform prep and stagging on that comes with the role just isn't my idea of a happy career.

Each to their own but not even the thought of living in the big smoke and getting the numbers of fit tourists stuffed in your tunic is enough to sway me.

There would have to be some decent perks of the job in order to put up with all that... an enhanced salary for living/working in London would be a good place to start.
 
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When they do, yes, The Battalions are in Windsor, Aldershot and Hounslow. The three incremental Companies, little more than recruit continuation units, pick up the routine Ceremonial from Wellington Bks.
 
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If only we could do something innovative, like perhaps centralising recruitment, and assigning recruits centrally to Bns across the infantry?

I genuinely do not understand why the Army has not yet tried to address some of its manning woes by assigning people where the need is, rather than due to where they happen to join up.
 
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If only we could do something innovative, like perhaps centralising recruitment, and assigning recruits centrally to Bns across the infantry?

I genuinely do not understand why the Army has not yet tried to address some of its manning woes by assigning people where the need is, rather than due to where they happen to join up.
Given the article points out shortages across the infantry why not adopt the RM model with everyone in the Infantry before specialisation?
 
#8
If only we could do something innovative, like perhaps centralising recruitment, and assigning recruits centrally to Bns across the infantry?

I genuinely do not understand why the Army has not yet tried to address some of its manning woes by assigning people where the need is, rather than due to where they happen to join up.
Do you mean fill the gaps?
 
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In the absence of any real action on the horizon for the foreseeable future, I am not surprised the Infantry is struggling to recruit.

Especially the Guards Bns. Heavy bullshit etc marching up and down all bloody day and polishing everything.

The past 12 years, or so, must have been a good recruiting sergeant for the Army (Inf and Corps). Young lads loved the thought of joining up and actually getting to see some action. Was pretty much guaranteed when Herrick was going full belt.
 
#10
I am sorry but keeping 3 Bn and 2 horsey type just to keep the tourists happy seems a bit of a waste. Just rotate the Army through one tour of PD every few years if we still need to do royal 'Protection' (The police do the actual protection).
 
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If only we could do something innovative, like perhaps centralising recruitment, and assigning recruits centrally to Bns across the infantry?

I genuinely do not understand why the Army has not yet tried to address some of its manning woes by assigning people where the need is, rather than due to where they happen to join up.
I believe they already do this, but at a lower level?

For example, a bloke joining the The Scots will be allocated to whichever Bn needs the manpower. Similar with The Rifles, Para Reg' etc.

I may be wrong, I know blokes get to put a preference in.
 

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If only we could do something innovative, like perhaps centralising recruitment, and assigning recruits centrally to Bns across the infantry?

I genuinely do not understand why the Army has not yet tried to address some of its manning woes by assigning people where the need is, rather than due to where they happen to join up.
Ah, the Corps of Infantry raised it's head again. I have no doubt this is the long term aim of some at MoD, we certainly seem to be moving in that direction.
 
#13
It's fine saying "put them where they are needed" but what if a soldier doesn't want to rebadge? I did NI tours with other bns of the regt with no sweat but if I was told I had to go to some red coated mob I'd have been out like a shot so even in these more modern times there is still a sense of tribalism.
 
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If only we could do something innovative, like perhaps centralising recruitment, and assigning recruits centrally to Bns across the infantry?

I genuinely do not understand why the Army has not yet tried to address some of its manning woes by assigning people where the need is, rather than due to where they happen to join up.
Top morale move.

Join as a steely eyed dealer of death then get posted to that there London to wear a red jacket and furry busby hat.

March up and down on the daily pantomime.

Shine stuff.

Stamp about some more.

The people who sign up for that malarkey don't seem over enthused, so heaven help the pressed men.
 
#15
Given the article points out shortages across the infantry why not adopt the RM model with everyone in the Infantry before specialisation?
Because it would immediately f*ck the entire non-infantry side of the Army over?

How do you keep manning in the Signals, REME, Medics etc up when they have to go a few years with absolutely no new recruits?

How do they continue to function when someone will have been in the Army for at least four or five years (how long do we waste a potential Signals/REME tech or CMT by making them live in ditches and carry a gimpy before we let them do the actual job they're qualified for?) before they even get to Class 2?

How would the rosters for the likes of FofS, YofS, Tiffy etc be affected with people getting close to their 15 year point before they even go on the courses?

I am sorry but keeping 3 Bn and 2 horsey type just to keep the tourists happy seems a bit of a waste. Just rotate the Army through one tour of PD every few years if we still need to do royal 'Protection' (The police do the actual protection).
What infantry battalions are kept just for public duties?
 
#16
I would have thought some of the ceremonial duty is starting to become a bit of a risk and too much of a drain on a valuable asset. The days of innocent tourists respectfully standing next to some Tom in a red tunic and posing for a photo at Windsor Castle are largely gone. It might be a big tick for the tourist industry but these days I imagine there's too many young lads in relatively isolated guard posts who have to put up with all sorts of abuse from schoolkids on day trips to London.... and they can't even give them a smack when things get out of hand as every bugger has camera phones.

Time to take away some of the ticktocking and replace those locations with a lower level target for guard duties if it's necessary for security reasons. A PCSO wouldn't have to stay rock still when tourists are sticking camera up his nose. Not great for the postcard industry but better than waiting till some loon decides to have a go and get their 15 seconds of fame
 
#17
Because it would immediately f*ck the entire non-infantry side of the Army over?

How do you keep manning in the Signals, REME, Medics etc up when they have to go a few years with absolutely no new recruits?

How do they continue to function when someone will have been in the Army for at least four or five years (how long do we waste a potential Signals/REME tech or CMT by making them live in ditches and carry a gimpy before we let them do the actual job they're qualified for?) before they even get to Class 2?

How would the rosters for the likes of FofS, YofS, Tiffy etc be affected with people getting close to their 15 year point before they even go on the courses?



What infantry battalions are kept just for public duties?
It also jiffs the guys who want to stay infantry.

Booty passes out of Lympstone and is told he's off to be a slop jockey.

It's not a great model.
 

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If only we could do something innovative, like perhaps centralising recruitment, and assigning recruits centrally to Bns across the infantry?

I genuinely do not understand why the Army has not yet tried to address some of its manning woes by assigning people where the need is, rather than due to where they happen to join up.
The British Infantry isn't that homogenous, there are regional differences and certainly one leadership style doesn't fit all.

For example, the Irish lads seemed to like Tim Collins' speech but I suspect that an English battalion would have had a WTF moment if their CO dropped that on them.

Further, I can't imagine anyone buying into the Rifles ethos being thrilled at getting the Guards - and probably vice versa. We could probably be more imaginative but I think we'd lose something if we were brutally utilitarian.
 
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It also jiffs the guys who want to stay infantry.

Booty passes out of Lympstone and is told he's off to be a slop jockey.

It's not a great model.
Have to admit, I wouldn't fancy going through all that shit, getting your green beret then finding out you're going to spend 95% of your career as a clerk...
 
#20
I would have thought some of the ceremonial duty is starting to become a bit of a risk and too much of a drain on a valuable asset. The days of innocent tourists respectfully standing next to some Tom in a red tunic and posing for a photo at Windsor Castle are largely gone. It might be a big tick for the tourist industry but these days I imagine there's too many young lads in relatively isolated guard posts who have to put up with all sorts of abuse from schoolkids on day trips to London.... and they can't even give them a smack when things get out of hand as every bugger has camera phones.

Time to take away some of the ticktocking and replace those locations with a lower level target for guard duties if it's necessary for security reasons. A PCSO wouldn't have to stay rock still when tourists are sticking camera up his nose. Not great for the postcard industry but better than waiting till some loon decides to have a go and get their 15 seconds of fame
They are now mostly (if not all) behind fences.
 

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