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Food Tax

#2
Good socialists these 'New Labour' types.

Why not tax the poorest - the poorest are least likely or able to protest, especially if they are very poorly educated and their health 'service' is third rate.

I 'smell' the great wanking fist of 'Bottler' Brown here - aided and abetted by the European Soviet Union.
 
#4
The pensioners are dying in their homes because they cant afford to heat them. WTF are they going to do now then if this comes into play? No wonder its all being discussed in a hush hush manner.
 
#5
Shoppers could face VAT on food

The imposition of VAT on groceries is being actively considered by Whitehall officials as a radical means of reducing the national deficit.
Why don't they just get rid of these whitehall officials that obviously have far to much time on their hands, and then they won't have to steal from the poorest so just so they can fund the rich public sector officials way of life....

Cnuts
 
#8
jarrod248 said:
Some food is taxed already it's a very odd thing luxury iteams have VAT on like a chocolate biscuit, a chocolate flavoured biscuit doesn't.
does anyone remember which govt. raised VAT from 15%?
In the late 70s (pre79, I must add), milk chocolate digestives had a higher rate of VAT than plain choc biscuits - because milk chocolate was considered a luxury item.
 
#10
Trackpen said:
jarrod248 said:
Some food is taxed already it's a very odd thing luxury iteams have VAT on like a chocolate biscuit, a chocolate flavoured biscuit doesn't.
does anyone remember which govt. raised VAT from 15%?
In the late 70s (pre79, I must add), milk chocolate digestives had a higher rate of VAT than plain choc biscuits - because milk chocolate was considered a luxury item.
Isn't VAT on cake (luxuary for the upper class) but not on biscuit (essential for the downtrodden). Thus the row a few years back as to whether Jaffas were cakes or biscuits!!!

Anyway, back on topic.

It's a BRILLIANT idea to put VAT onto all food if you're a New Labour aparachik. Win, win all round.

No doubt the tax will be accompanied by a rebate to those below a certain income level. Thus core New Labour support is, in theory, protected - but becoming even more beholden to their socialist controllers. A further army of low-level paperwork pushers will be required to be hired by the public purse to ensure this taking from one hand is returned to the other. More core New Labour support becoming even more beholden to their socialist controllers.

See where this leads?
 
#11
However it is done, the populace are going to have to pay for the Government profligacy and waste of the last decade. If it is a tax on food then we will all pay, even the likes of Sven and other wasters, effectively reducing their tax funded life style, which will reduce their take of my money which I'm all in favour of. [Vat on practically everything in Hungary is 25%]
 
#13
VAT was historically 0 rated on all food items, then it was introduced at 8% for luxury food items. Chocolate digestives attracted 8% tax while their unchocolate covered counterparts had a 0 rating. Gradually VAT was increased from 8 to 15 and to 17.5%. At one time food bought in a takeaway restaurant was 0 rated, but if consumed on premises it attracted VAT.

European countries always have always charged VAT on food products, however usually at a much lower rate than the full headline rate, typically 6 or 7%. Furthermore most European Countries charge VAT on Books and Childrens clothing.
 
#14
What with vat eventually rising to 18-20% (it's going to happen sooner or later) extend the tax on food further afield, I like the Treasury reply "it's not remotely on the table"

Another nail in NuLabour's coffin maybe if this 'actually goes beyond informal talk??

Mind you they have to look at other area's for revenue as the motorist's are being hammered enough as it is!
 
#15
whitecity said:
Isn't VAT on cake (luxuary for the upper class) but not on biscuit (essential for the downtrodden). Thus the row a few years back as to whether Jaffas were cakes or biscuits!!!
Other way round. Luxury biscuits have VAT on them - Luxury generally being those with chocolate on them. Jaffa cake said they were cakes and not biscuits and therefore weren't liable for VAT. I believe some judge somewhere made the decision that they were cakes...partly due to the fact that cakes start off soft and go hard when stale...biscuits do the opposite.

I'm sure someone can tell me different though.

S_R
 
#16
The area that needs to be attacked is Benefit Fraud .... I know this is slightly off thread and the quote is from the Daily Mail but I reckon this is only the tip of an Iceberg .... see link ..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256175/Campaigner-gipsy-rights-ran-2-6m-benefit-scam.html

It could well be possible that this story of VAT on food has been deliberately leaked .... imply something absolutely unacceptable is to happen before announcing a less unacceptable Tax Raising scheme .
 
#17
Border_Reiver said:
The area that needs to be attacked is Benefit Fraud .... I know this is slightly off thread and the quote is from the Daily Mail but I reckon this is only the tip of an Iceberg .... see link ..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1256175/Campaigner-gipsy-rights-ran-2-6m-benefit-scam.html

It could well be possible that this story of VAT on food has been deliberately leaked .... imply something absolutely unacceptable is to happen before announcing a less unacceptable Tax Raising scheme .
So children's clothes are exempt VAT. Would children's food be?
Fancy living on chicken nuggets, fish fingers and baked beans?
Though, as a kid, my daughter favoured langoustines and mussels. 8O
 
#18
A slightly different slant on this idea of a food tax, as it will hurt the poorest in society and we end up living on the cheaper stuff then it follows that people will have more health issues therefor costing the NHS more money, if you follow my thinking.

And bear in mind we pay for the MP's food.
 
#19
The UK tax regime is nothing but a bloody disgrace. It is so byzantine that even HMRC doesn’t understand it and there are thousands of highly paid accountants who earn their livings constructing avoidance schemes which add bugger all to the nation’s prosperity.

So I long for someone to scrap the whole thing and start again and my suggestions, for what they are worth, are that income and corporation tax are at a flat rate of say 15% with no initial allowances and the only other tax is VAT of say 15% on everything even food, rent, clothing and heating. As for NI, it is not hypothecated and is just another income/employment tax so should be cancelled; similarly vehicle tax.

These flat rate taxes would be easy and cheap to collect hence saving more than a little in the costs of HMRC. VAT is collected by businesses anyway and the other two would be low enough to render tax avoidance plans not worth the effort.

As for VAT, it is often said that this is regressive and hits the poorest most. Frankly, I am not convinced this is so but even if it is the case, revenue increased when Lawson reduced income tax. I see no reason to believe that the principle is no longer valid, so there would be increased funds available to help the poor, infirm, disabled and other worthy recipients.

In passing, there does seem to be a remarkable proportion of the population which currently receives state benefits. I am sure this could be reduced somewhat.

Finally, the % rates I have given are off the top of my head so I am open to correction as to whether or not they would generate enough revenue, but I believe the principle is sound. It's called KISS - Keep it Simple, Stupid.
 

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