Following in Mugabes footsteps...

#1
And people questionned why the ANC governmnet in South Africa was not doing more to prevent Mugabe's abuses. They were just playing a game of watch and learn. :x

Telegraph Online said:
South Africa to step up land seizure

White farmers in South Africa who refuse to sell their property to the government under a land redistribution scheme were told yesterday that their property would be seized.

Under an election promise made in 1994, the ruling African National Congress said it would return all land taken during colonisation or apartheid back to black South Africans by 2008.

Many of the deals have gone through under a "willing buyer, willing seller" scheme, but farmers still holding out for a better price will now face state-sanctioned land seizures, a government lands official warned yesterday.

"In all cases where negotiations are going to be stalled by intransigence and deliberate frustration of the restitution process by the current landowners, we are going to expropriate," said Tumi Seboka, regional lands commissioner for North West provinces.

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#2
Africa, instead of being the worlds bread basket it's the worlds basket case. They appear to have no wish to help themselves and unless they tackle corruption they have no hope. And to think SA used to be one of the jewels in the crown.
 
#3
As fas as I understand it the Consititution stops this happening at the moment. Each time the ANC try to change the constitution they are a few votes short of the percentage they need. They have been very busy manipulating the votes over recent years though so where they were very close in the past, they might have managed to swing it now.

My folks have just come back from SA and say that there is actually a swing away from the ANC in the Cape since their corruption and poor management are pishing people off big time.
 
#4
How can they have watched mugabe and thought "you know what, we'll do that"
Beggars belief
We're not that dependant on Africa - pull out all interests, all aid, all help - let them fcuk themselves over. They do a better job of it than we do.
SA were banned from international sport over apartheid, surely this is coming close to being the exact opposite? Will SA be banned because the blacks are persecuting the whites??...
 
#5
crabby said:
Will SA be banned because the blacks are persecuting the whites??...
Don't be silly, that would signify recognition of a moral equivalence of treatment between those poor black Africans and the evil Boers(as seen in Lethal Weapon 2). How could that ever be right?

It'll be amusing to see how the truth and reconciliation tribunals deal with this issue, don't you think?

I just wonder how many right-on popsters will be penning new anthems to protest these inequalities in SA...
 

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#6
crabby said:
We're not that dependant on Africa - pull out all interests, all aid, all help - let them fcuk themselves over. They do a better job of it than we do.
SA were banned from international sport over apartheid, surely this is coming close to being the exact opposite? Will SA be banned because the blacks are persecuting the whites??...


What, with guys like Peter Hain (him of the rugby protest) now our rep in Brussels? With straw man who wanted sanctions in the 80's now leader of the Commons - you're having a laugh.

Remeber ....repeat after me 'It's all the wtite man's fault, things will be better when they rule themselves.....and if they don't? It's all the white man's fault!' :frustrated:
 
#7
Stoat: Aah, Cutaway, you filthy necrophiliac, I see you're back from South Africa then. How was it?
Cutaway (putting on his best blick iksent): It brokan.

Those two words said it all, really...

I read an interesting piece a few weeks ago about how, if you are power obsessed African leader, Mugabe's policies are totally rational: destroy the economy both financially and agriculturally, then you can buy your supporters off with food aid and your opponents will have to eventually eat out of your hand if they want to eat at all, and you pocket large quantities of the financial aid which will keep flowing from Western governments due to postcolonial guilt . Doing this enables you both to remain in power and be staggeringly wealthy and live in unbridled luxury, importing all the goods you need for this.

Perfectly logical!
 
#9
ericthellama said:
As fas as I understand it the Consititution stops this happening at the moment. Each time the ANC try to change the constitution they are a few votes short of the percentage they need. They have been very busy manipulating the votes over recent years though so where they were very close in the past, they might have managed to swing it now.

My folks have just come back from SA and say that there is actually a swing away from the ANC in the Cape since their corruption and poor management are pishing people off big time.
Will the ANC ever relinquish power? If the vote goes the wrong way will they just become a one party state?
 
#10
Scaremongering of the highest order that only the extremely gullible will get worked up about. :frustrated:

The land distribution that is taking place in RSA is a world away from that in Zim. The farmers are actually paid (yes, paid) market rates for their land. Most of the purchases are in the north, towards the Botswana/Zim borders, areas where, to be honest, you'd wait decades before somebody would come along and offer to buy your farm. Farming in RSA is no longer the high margin industry it used to be now that the workforce have safeguards to prevent them being exploited. Therefore, there is actually a waiting list of farmers wanting to sell their land to the government for redistribution.

Sure, they'll go onto Tv saying that they've farmed the land for 60 years. Whatever. But they'll take their Khaki shorts and blacks socks to the coast and retirement as fast as their pickup will take them.

A far cry from farm invasions and murder that are taking place under Mugabe.

Also, RSA is far from becoming a single-party state. The ANC may dominate due to demographics, but it is fractured and divided. The Democratic Alliance, which is the main opposition, are beginning to garner support from all colours in the cultural spectrum, especially in the Western Cape. The next general elections will put the balance of the political boat on a more even keel.

The only worry though is that Zuma taking over as head of the ANC from Mbeki, but by that stage democracy in RSA will be too mature to be totally subverted, even by an operator like Zuma.
 
#11
Ord_Sgt said:
They appear to have no wish to help themselves.
Some of them appear to be helping themselves very nicely LINK

The UK still gives aid to Swaziland. It appears to go straight in to the King's bank account!
 
#12
Augustus said:
Scaremongering of the highest order that only the extremely gullible will get worked up about. :frustrated:

The land distribution that is taking place in RSA is a world away from that in Zim. The farmers are actually paid (yes, paid) market rates for their land. Most of the purchases are in the north, towards the Botswana/Zim borders, areas where, to be honest, you'd wait decades before somebody would come along and offer to buy your farm. Farming in RSA is no longer the high margin industry it used to be now that the workforce have safeguards to prevent them being exploited. Therefore, there is actually a waiting list of farmers wanting to sell their land to the government for redistribution.

Sure, they'll go onto Tv saying that they've farmed the land for 60 years. Whatever. But they'll take their Khaki shorts and blacks socks to the coast and retirement as fast as their pickup will take them.

A far cry from farm invasions and murder that are taking place under Mugabe.

Also, RSA is far from becoming a single-party state. The ANC may dominate due to demographics, but it is fractured and divided. The Democratic Alliance, which is the main opposition, are beginning to garner support from all colours in the cultural spectrum, especially in the Western Cape. The next general elections will put the balance of the political boat on a more even keel.

The only worry though is that Zuma taking over as head of the ANC from Mbeki, but by that stage democracy in RSA will be too mature to be totally subverted, even by an operator like Zuma.
Did you read a different report than me then?

Many of the deals have gone through under a "willing buyer, willing seller" scheme, but farmers still holding out for a better price will now face state-sanctioned land seizures, a government lands official warned yesterday.

"In all cases where negotiations are going to be stalled by intransigence and deliberate frustration of the restitution process by the current landowners, we are going to expropriate," said Tumi Seboka, regional lands commissioner for North West provinces.
Those that want to sell and retire (in shorts and black socks or not), well good luck to them but what about those that DON'T want to?
 
#13
Steven said:
Augustus said:
Scaremongering of the highest order that only the extremely gullible will get worked up about. :frustrated:

The land distribution that is taking place in RSA is a world away from that in Zim. The farmers are actually paid (yes, paid) market rates for their land. Most of the purchases are in the north, towards the Botswana/Zim borders, areas where, to be honest, you'd wait decades before somebody would come along and offer to buy your farm. Farming in RSA is no longer the high margin industry it used to be now that the workforce have safeguards to prevent them being exploited. Therefore, there is actually a waiting list of farmers wanting to sell their land to the government for redistribution.

Sure, they'll go onto Tv saying that they've farmed the land for 60 years. Whatever. But they'll take their Khaki shorts and blacks socks to the coast and retirement as fast as their pickup will take them.

A far cry from farm invasions and murder that are taking place under Mugabe.

Also, RSA is far from becoming a single-party state. The ANC may dominate due to demographics, but it is fractured and divided. The Democratic Alliance, which is the main opposition, are beginning to garner support from all colours in the cultural spectrum, especially in the Western Cape. The next general elections will put the balance of the political boat on a more even keel.

The only worry though is that Zuma taking over as head of the ANC from Mbeki, but by that stage democracy in RSA will be too mature to be totally subverted, even by an operator like Zuma.
Did you read a different report than me then?

Many of the deals have gone through under a "willing buyer, willing seller" scheme, but farmers still holding out for a better price will now face state-sanctioned land seizures, a government lands official warned yesterday.

"In all cases where negotiations are going to be stalled by intransigence and deliberate frustration of the restitution process by the current landowners, we are going to expropriate," said Tumi Seboka, regional lands commissioner for North West provinces.
Those that want to sell and retire (in shorts and black socks or not), well good luck to them but what about those that DON'T want to?
They're still being offered good money for their land. Obviously there will be a minority who take the piss and try to squeeze more out of the government - that's human nature and anybody with a keen buyer for their house always tries to squeeze a few grand more out of the purchaser.

But, the Government has targets to meet. In cases where the landowner tries to mess them about they have the option to recourse to compulsary pruchase order.

A bit like that old granny refusing to sell her cottage to make way for the new runway at Stanstead. But we don't say that Tony Blair is like Mugabe.

Oh, er, hang on a minute.......
 
#14
Augustus said:
The only worry though is that Zuma taking over as head of the ANC from Mbeki, but by that stage democracy in RSA will be too mature to be totally subverted, even by an operator like Zuma.
Wow. There's optimistic. The cynicism in every newspaper report, and in every conversation I had last year in those parts told me that things were on the slide, not the other way round; I met a lot of people (well, ok, three in Messina) who have either gone now or will be gone shortly. One dentist, one doctor and one slightly crook entrepreneur, all to Oz.
 
#15
Fuck Africa its all gone to pot
 
#16
When I was in Iraq alot of the people I worked with were South Africans, many of them are leaving the country due to the corruption. There is a considerable shift away from the ANC in Cape Town, there they suffer widespread power outages because many of the white engineers had been fired and replaced with unqualified black staff under the Black Economic Empowerment Programme.

I asked what BEE was and they explained that the ANC brought in a programme of positive discrimination that all vacanices had to be offered ina certain order regardless of the qualifications of the applications:

1: Black Applicant
2: Asian
3: Mixed RAce
4: White

Now the consitutions which is supposed to be one of the most well written is getting in their way were they are trying to criminalise people for working abroad such as those in the British Forces
 
#17
Malteser said:
When I was in Iraq alot of the people I worked with were South Africans, many of them are leaving the country due to the corruption. There is a considerable shift away from the ANC in Cape Town, there they suffer widespread power outages because many of the white engineers had been fired and replaced with unqualified black staff under the Black Economic Empowerment Programme.

I asked what BEE was and they explained that the ANC brought in a programme of positive discrimination that all vacanices had to be offered ina certain order regardless of the qualifications of the applications:

1: Black Applicant
2: Asian
3: Mixed RAce
4: White

Now the consitutions which is supposed to be one of the most well written is getting in their way were they are trying to criminalise people for working abroad such as those in the British Forces
I dare say the writings is on the wall and leave before it gets bloody, many white Zims left when Mugabe took power in 1980, for them it was probably a wise move, it may not seem so then, now it is, I remember Mugabe insulting our foreign secretary in 81 or 82 i think, in front of the world media, Thatcher was fuming, I thought thi sman has shown his true colours.
 
#18
semper said:
Fuck Africa its all gone to pot
Summed up perfectly IMHO.
 
#19
Malteser said:
I asked what BEE was and they explained that the ANC brought in a programme of positive discrimination that all vacanices had to be offered in a certain order regardless of the qualifications of the applications:

1: Black Applicant
2: Asian
3: Mixed RAce
4: White
Sounds like my local councils recruitment policy.
 
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#20
If the whole of Africa tilted on it's axis ( if it HAD an axis ) by 85 degrees and everything slid into the ocean the only thing that would bother people would be the gorilla's and those nice elephants.
 

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