Fitness Costs

#1
I imagine I am not alone on this. Being an Adjt at a TA Inf Bn, I am not in stricking distance (11 Miles) of a Bn/Garrison Gym. Therefore we all have to go out and find private gyms in order to fulfill our requirements to reamain physically fit. I'm currently paying £350 a year on membership, which is a good deal, but I'm sure there are others out there (MOD etc) that are paying a damn sight more.
As expected I have been fobbed off by Bde as to personal funding etc.

Does anyone know if there is any form of claim out there. Go on the RAO staff - help us out on this one!!
 
#2
Maybe if you had approached Bde and said that your soldiers needed the funding rather than attempting to get your own nose in the trough first you might have received a more sympathetic reaction.

Your RFCA will almost certainly be willing to equip your TACs with gym equipment from the Establishment Grant provided it is your soldiers who will be the principal beneficiaries.
 
#3
It would see that you know a little about the TA (with regard to RFCAs), so you will aslo know that we have very few Reg soldiers in the unit.

Equiping a TA Centre does not work - have tried that and they need to be maintained and monitired, kit replaced etc. No one to do it. They also never get used - TA soldiers do not have time to use the gym on the one night a week they come in. Anyway, most of them are in Iraq!!!

Finally, being the diligent chap I am, I would make sure that if I was to strike it lucky, I would make damn sure that all in my unit would benefit. It was the main reason I posted the thread, as one of the SNCOs came to me to investigate!! So, less of the 'nose in the trough remarks'!
 
#4
Pips said:
Equiping a TA Centre does not work - have tried that and they need to be maintained and monitired, kit replaced etc. No one to do it. They also never get used - TA soldiers do not have time to use the gym on the one night a week they come in. Anyway, most of them are in Iraq!!!
Yes it does - although they certainly do need to be maintained and monitired etc - might I suggest PSI? They get used by those who want to - you clearly do, so where's the problem?.

Mine worked extremely well eventually once RFCA recovered all the kit that RHQ decided was too good for the TA so forgive me if I was a little brusque but your post looked wrong on so many levels. Glad to hear your intent is to look after the boys after all.
 
#6
Pips,

The TA Manning Implementation Plan (currently Draft) indicates an aspiration to either equip all TA Centres with a gym, or authorise funding gym memberships to personnel where this is not possible.

Knowing the way things work this probably won't happen soon enough to solve your problem, but at least the issue has been recognised at a senior level. We keep complaining that the TA are not fit enough, but give them no support to get fit.

As a regular you have a huge advantage in that your boss will not question why you should spend your lunch hour running rather than working. Most TA don't have that advantage, so it is understandable why your question may have raised some hackles.

Why aren't you out running anyway? Are you some sort of nancy? :D :D :D
 
#7
Our unit provide a quarter days pay per week for those that can prove (receipts) that they have attended a gym. If you have a Captain on x amount per day then a quarter days pay over a month will surely cover your gym payment.

And as Paoli said, it costs bugger all to go running round your local park.
 
#9
Something has recently come out that we can join a local gym that will give a print out of time spent there. You can then claim some? of the time spent there. However, your fitness does have to improve.

Don't know if this is a Bde thing or TA wide.
 
#10
We had a room full of fitness eqpmt at my TAC , its all now gone apart from a few mats and medicine balls, the reason was simple , no one could maintain it

i like to run myself
 
#11
abacus said:
^Devilish, I like that idea. Over and above fitness levels, is it having a measurable impact on better retention?
Hard to determine really. We (as a sqn) have no problem with retention anyway. It certainly put a smile on the old and bolds faces when the policy came in. We currently have 20+ recruits on the books (at sqn level) all at varying stages of training, time will tell if it is having an impact on retention.
 
#12
Devlish's plan is a good one for the TA, but won't help Pips much. IIRC regulars don't get extra pay in that manner.

However, Abacus' point is well made. You can probably get gym kit through the system from whatever TAVRA calls itself these days. If you're the adj, dick someone for the job of looking after it.
 
#13
Why do you need to go to a gym to get fit? you have arms and legs surely, or is it that you need to be looking at totty to get motivated? :D


If the Army wanted you to go and train in a nice clean gym then it would make it easier for you to get there, as it is they expect you to maintain a level of fitness, thats up to you how you do it, yes i agree that in a Regiment a gym is common place but that is mainly for structured PT lessons, however it isnt difficult to pound some tarmac and do some pressups etc.

The gym is a luxury (for some :D ) but not having one doesnt mean that you cant remain in shape without money ;)
 
#14
On a side note we also have a fully functioning gym in the TAC and if you attend that gym the PSAO will still give you the quarter days pay.(as long as he's seen you in attendance of course).
 
#16
I hate to say this Adj, but you're on sticky ground here.

Whilst we all sympathise, and the current TA Manning Policy is big on fitness and funds will be made available in due course, the reality is that you haven't got a full time job and on that basis, unlike the rest of us, you have plenty of time to get fit during the day.

Those of us like me who start their runs at 7pm in the dark after a 12 hour day in the office/car/traffic can't help but think that there might be other priorities....
 
#17
devilish said:
Our unit provide a quarter days pay per week for those that can prove (receipts) that they have attended a gym. If you have a Captain on x amount per day then a quarter days pay over a month will surely cover your gym payment.
I've heard this before but I can't remember where its either our Regiments policy or its 2 (NC) Sig Bde. Have a strong feeling its a Bde idea
 
#18
fivetodo said:
...it isnt difficult to pound some tarmac and do some pressups etc.
fivetodo is spot on here - if you know what you're doing you can do quality exercise pretty much anywhere using pretty much anything, so long as you've got a good pair of shoes. And if you don't know what you're doing, any PTI worth his/her salt should be able to advise.

A lot of people struggle with motivation, and think by joining a gym and paying silly money they'll have an incentive to go. Most of the time it doesn't work though - my top tip is to find a training partner. That person can then motivate you to go training, motivate you while you're training, and carry your bags home for you afterwards when your arms have fallen off from doing a million press-ups (and vice versa).
 
#19
The TAC gym is a much underused facility and it's only limits are your own imagination. Free weights are not impossible to obtain and can be purchased cheaply second hand; I was able to get an olympic bar and collars, bench, squat stands and a full set of decent plates donated by my employer. A good chin bar can be improvised using scaffolding. Bags are easy to come by. Quite a lot of people have bits of kit lying around at home that they are usually OK about donatng to the TAC.

I sense that the only hurdle then is the H&S questions. But I'm sure that if you can prove risk assessments and safe systems are in place, and that the equipment is maintained it should be OK. The only real dramas are with machines, you have to have some form of maintenance schedule and that costs, it is probably best to go without.
 
#20
pips wrote

Pips said:
I imagine I am not alone on this. Being an Adjt at a TA Inf Bn, I am not in stricking distance (11 Miles) of a Bn/Garrison Gym. Therefore we all have to go out and find private gyms in order to fulfill our requirements to reamain physically fit. I'm currently paying £350 a year on membership, which is a good deal, but I'm sure there are others out there (MOD etc) that are paying a damn sight more.
As expected I have been fobbed off by Bde as to personal funding etc.

Does anyone know if there is any form of claim out there. Go on the RAO staff - help us out on this one!!
Our reg has recently moved into a new Bde, They have a policy of 1 quarter days pay 12 times a month for attending at a gym. This must be signed or stamped by a member of the gym staff, but it works.

Do some digging and you may surprise yourself. Failing that, if you begrudge paying £350 a year to maintian your greek god appearance. dont pay it, get your bergan on and Tab, after all thats what you grunts do isn,t it !?
 
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