First the Loony Left - could this be the Crazy Clergy?

Sunday Telegraph said:

Floods are judgment on society, say bishops

By Jonathan Wynne-Jones, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:13pm BST 01/07/2007

The floods that have devastated swathes of the country are God's judgment on the immorality and greed of modern society, according to senior Church of England bishops.

One diocesan bishop has even claimed that laws that have undermined marriage, including the introduction of pro-gay legislation, have provoked God to act by sending the storms that have left thousands of people homeless.

While those who have been affected by the storms are innocent victims, the bishops argue controversially that the flooding is a result of Western civilisation's decision to ignore biblical teaching.

The Rt Rev Graham Dow, Bishop of Carlisle, argued that the floods are not just a result of a lack of respect for the planet, but also a judgment on society's moral decadence.

"This is a strong and definite judgment because the world has been arrogant in going its own way," he said. "We are reaping the consequences of our moral degradation, as well as the environmental damage that we have caused."

The bishop, who is a leading evangelical, said that people should heed the stories of the Bible, which described the downfall of the Roman empire as a result of its immorality.

"We are in serious moral trouble because every type of lifestyle is now regarded as legitimate," he said. "In the Bible, institutional power is referred to as 'the beast', which sets itself up to control people and their morals. Our government has been playing the role of God in saying that people are free to act as they want," he said, adding that the introduction of recent pro-gay laws highlighted its determination to undermine marriage. "The sexual orientation regulations [which give greater rights to gays] are part of a general scene of permissiveness. We are in a situation where we are liable for God's judgment, which is intended to call us to repentance."

He expressed his sympathy for those who have been hit by the weather, but said that the problem with "environmental judgment is that it is indiscriminate".

The West is also being punished for the way that it has exploited poorer nations in its pursuit of economic gain. "It has set up dominant economic structures that are built on greed and that keep other nations in a situation of dependence. The principle of God's judgment on nations that have exploited other nations is all there in the Bible," he said.

He urged people to respond to the latest floods by turning away from a lifestyle of greed to instead live thinking of the consequences of their actions.

Global warming has been caused by people's lack of care for the planet and recent environmental catastrophes are a warning over how we behave, according to the Bishop of Liverpool.

"People no longer see natural disasters as an act of God," said the Rt Rev James Jones. "However, we are now reaping what we have sown. If we live in a profligate way then there are going to be consequences," said the bishop, who has previously been seen as a future Archbishop of Canterbury or York. "We have a responsibility in this and God is exposing us to the truth of what we have done."

The Rt Rev Richard Chartres, Bishop of London, said: "We are all part of the problem and part of the solution. Instead of living as if we owned the earth we need to recover a sense of being participants in a web of life with responsibilities to other life forms and to our children."

The Bishops' warnings came as flood-hit communities were being warned to brace themselves for more torrential rain this weekend, with the Met Office issuing a severe weather warning for large areas of England and Wales, with up to 50mm (2in) of rain forecast.
Good to see them offering comfort and support in times of need!!!
It's a bit like African witch doctors who used to frighten their tribes people by saying that an eclipse of the Sun was a warning.
There's enough religeous fanatcism without the Bishops stoking the flames.
"In the Bible, institutional power is referred to as 'the beast', which sets itself up to control people and their morals. Our government has been playing the role of God in saying that people are free to act as they want,"
Institutionalised power being set up to control people and their morals has been an endeavour at which the Church has excelled for centuries. It was around long before the state existed as a controlling institution. When the authority of the church wained, it sanctioned the 'Inquisition' to restore it's power. So powerful did the church become that Henry VIII legislated to set limits upon it. I do share the concern the church has about the dominion over morality the state has aggregated to itself but I find the contention that precipitation is the work of an angry God a little difficult to swallow.


War Hero
boelynbulldog said:
Good to see them offering comfort and support in times of need!!!
At least they're not calling for all CofE types to start suicide bombing. Mind you it'd be hard to find 72 CofE virgins...
words fail me.... it reminds me of when I was sat in a cafe in Sinai talking to a Egyptian mate and his muslim-convert, English wife. He told me that disasters only happened to wicked people.

When I pointed out that the (then) recent tsunami had killed huge numbers of their fellow muslims, they then told me that this was because they were not sufficently devout! He then went on to tell me that this was always the case - Allah punishes bad people. :x

I was fuming.... I pointed out that following this train of thinking, the Palastineans must be right tossers.... he was not impressed.. We then agreed to stick to talking about diving rather than religion or politics.


War Hero
Whats next Locusts, Plague ?
It's got to be said, God's got form for this sort of thing. Anyone been building an ark, by any chance?
Why don't we just chuck another couple of vigins into the volcano? That'll sort it out, and Global Warming at the same time.
BTW, all those that planted "Drought-Friendly" plants in their gardens, who do they go to to get their money back? :D
So Sheffield is a particularly appropriate target for God's wrath? I can think of places a lot more wicked than that.


Book Reviewer
They really should stick to 'educating' choirboys.

Another Catholic bishop has entered the abortion debate by writing to every Scottish MP urging them to vote for a bill which would make women seeking an abortion undergo mandatory counselling.

Joseph Devine, the Bishop of Motherwell, has written to the MPs ahead of tomorrow's Commons vote on a private member's bill which would also impose a seven day cooling-off period to allow women time to make up their minds after receiving advice.

Catholic parliamentarians in particular will be under intense scrutiny as it will be the first vote on abortion since Cardinal Keith O'Brien, Scotland's most senior Roman Catholic, warned Catholic politicians should not take holy communion if they support the legislation in its current form.
TheIronDuke said:
They really should stick to 'educating' choirboys.
Ah...I think you refer to this old standard?

There once was a Bishop of Birmingham,
Who b******d three boys while confirming 'em,
As they knelt seeking God, he erected his rod,
And pumped his episcopal s***m in 'em.

Anglican bishop of course old chap...
Sunday Telegraph said:
... The bishop, who is a leading evangelical, said that people should heed the stories of the Bible ...
Such as this one, maybe:

Genesis Ch.9 said:
8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 "I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth."

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