First Rifle Recommendations

#1
So Iv'e just joined a rifle and pistol club that cater for what seems like everything under the sun. Have to obviously do the years probation but i'm inevitably thinking about what should be the first purchase. Preferably as cheap as possible. leaning towards .223 or 7.62/.308 as ive done some .22 target shooting before and there are more discipline options with those calibres.

offhand, mosins seem very cheap but can anyone vouch for accuracy after some tweaking? Would a new stock and trigger job be worth it over a newish modern rifle? Completely new to all this so some hand holding would be appreciated.

I did some searching for previous threads but couldn't find any. happy to be redirected if this has been covered before.
 
#2
So Iv'e just joined a rifle and pistol club that cater for what seems like everything under the sun. Have to obviously do the years probation but i'm inevitably thinking about what should be the first purchase. Preferably as cheap as possible. leaning towards .223 or 7.62/.308 as ive done some .22 target shooting before and there are more discipline options with those calibres.

offhand, mosins seem very cheap but can anyone vouch for accuracy after some tweaking? Would a new stock and trigger job be worth it over a newish modern rifle? Completely new to all this so some hand holding would be appreciated.

I did some searching for previous threads but couldn't find any. happy to be redirected if this has been covered before.

For a cheap accurate rife consider Howa , they are less than a grand with scope , mod, bi pod and 10rnd mag

Howa Rifles,
 
#3
yeah id heard the 1500 mentioned a few times, but is £800 ish the lowest youd go? Quite like the history of old service rifles, mosins, mausers and enfields are tugging at me for some reason. are they worth serious consideration or are they just for fun at the range? thanks for the advice though!
 
#4
To be honest, a No 4 is still probably the best value for a starter rifle..

You should be able to get a decent one for 3-400 quid and will do everything you need to do to get started.
 
#5
that sounds about right, have plenty of time to get the money together anyway! And they are sexy, sexy things.
JUST found an enfield p14 in .308 for £200. Always wary of 'too cheap', but it does say enfield on it...
 
#6
that sounds about right, have plenty of time to get the money together anyway! And they are sexy, sexy things.
JUST found an enfield p14 in .308 for £200. Always wary of 'too cheap', but it does say enfield on it...
Nah... that's a rebarrel job, and a Mauser not a "Proper" Enfield..

Get a good No4 in .303 and start your collection with something that you will cherish..


PM 4T - he is a dealer that specialises in No 4s
 
#7
Thought it looked too good to be true. Ill definitely keep him on standby, thanks for that! Im in Northern Ireland though and not sure on the regs for transporting. Other than that thanks a lot for the advice. With all the paperwork involved its something you want to get right first time so its really appreciated.
 
#8
If you buy an old service rifle it will not shoot as well as a modern sporting/tactical rifle plus you will need to buy mounts, scope and a bipod for most disciplines , this will add up to as much as a new Howa but will not be as accurate .
 
#9
It's horses for courses. I am a big fan of mil surplus and love my SMLE, K98 etc but if you want real accuracy then I use a Howa 1500 in 7.62 with a Bushnell Elite 4200 6x24x50 scope. As someone mentioned previously Howa are an excellent brand and easily match some of the much more expensive rifles out on the market. I think. They come with Hogue stocks now or you can add a Bell and Carlson stock if you want a full aluminium bedded variant for better accuracy. Rifle plus glass and lower spec scope for under a grand in Guntrader. Or if you want to use a rifle that was made for the masses and helped save the free world go to CGFirearms and buy a nice new stocked no 4. Oh yeah and it won't be long before you get into hand loading as well!

Cheers.


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#10
haha, had a look at ammo last night and the prices were crippling which put me off a bit. The howa is looking like a better long term investment, the no4 for a now and then rifle. Get the feeling this is going to be an expensive hobby!
 
#11
If you buy an old service rifle it will not shoot as well as a modern sporting/tactical rifle plus you will need to buy mounts, scope and a bipod for most disciplines , this will add up to as much as a new Howa but will not be as accurate .



At least with an old service rifle you will actually learn to shoot.....



If you can learn to take a No4 onto the 1,000yd range, and get your rounds consistently into the black (and most No4s are capable of consistently getting into the 4 ring or better), then you will have a good grounding to be accurate with any other rifle configuration.




 

ugly

LE
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#12
Rule No1. Buy something you can afford to shoot, so you need to develop a budget, look for a dealer that will sell you a used rifle if new is too expensive and one who will sell you a rifle to replace it when you move up a notch and take the old one in part ex!
Remember if you want a scoped rifle then the glass is probably going to cost as much as the rifle so look long and hard and see if you can try one out first
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#13
Rule No1. Buy something you can afford to shoot, so you need to develop a budget, look for a dealer that will sell you a used rifle if new is too expensive and one who will sell you a rifle to replace it when you move up a notch and take the old one in part ex!
Remember if you want a scoped rifle then the glass is probably going to cost as much as the rifle so look long and hard and see if you can try one out first
But be careful. At this point the dealers of arrse will start circling like vultures over a dying wildebeest. They will post innocent-sounding but helpful advice before offering you something they've been trying to get rid of for ages.
 
#14
But be careful. At this point the dealers of arrse will start circling like vultures over a dying wildebeest. They will post innocent-sounding but helpful advice before offering you something they've been trying to get rid of for ages.

Er..... if you happen to decide on a No4, I know someone who has a few available.... (cough)..







(actually, you're safe from temptation - I'm out of the business for the time being.)
 
#15
I was in your exact same position a year ago. I decided I wanted a 303 so got a nice No. 4 Mk 2 that shoots very well and, as 4T says, is a good low-cost intro to the sport. Plus it has a nice brass buttplate that can be polished to absorb recoil better. And you can fit a bayonet. Loading the 10-round magazine with charger clips is another nice feature. There are lots of them around and shooting with iron sights is very satisfying, especially at longer ranges, eg beyond 500 yards.
For greater accuracy, entering club competitions with scopes, bipods etc, the Remington 700 is hard to beat. Another classic, millions have been made in the 50 years since production started and they are infinitely customisable - you could see a dozen on the ranges at Bisley and they would all look different. In .308 Win you can pretty much do everything and there is a huge amount of info on the rifle and that calibre available on the internet and elsewhere.
Those were my first full-bore slots on the ticket, and I doubt I'll ever get rid of them.
 
#16
To start with Id probably want to keep it around £400 for the rifle if possible, with ammo per 100 less than £50. How long would 100rds keep you going for? doubt competitions would be more than 20-30 or so? Im also swaying more towards iron sight disciplines. As dombo says, i can imagine using nothing than your eye and a few bits of metal at 600m or more would be quite satisfying. and it helps keep the costs down which always helps!
any thoughts on a good condition mauser? seems to be a good mid ground in terms of service rifles and ammo isn't prohibitively expensive.
 
#17
To start with Id probably want to keep it around £400 for the rifle if possible, with ammo per 100 less than £50. How long would 100rds keep you going for? doubt competitions would be more than 20-30 or so? Im also swaying more towards iron sight disciplines. As dombo says, i can imagine using nothing than your eye and a few bits of metal at 600m or more would be quite satisfying. and it helps keep the costs down which always helps!
any thoughts on a good condition mauser? seems to be a good mid ground in terms of service rifles and ammo isn't prohibitively expensive.

The bargain of the century is currently Mosin Nagants in 7.62x54R.

You can get a brand-new condition rifle for about £180, and ammo is still available at c. £23/100.

The Mosins are pretty accurate, albeit with hard trigger pulls and tangent sights. Triggers are fairly easy to improve, and the tangent sights just take practice - as with a No1.



IMHO, military Mausers are not actually very good. Despite their imagen, most of them are worse shooters than a comparable Enfield. The cheapest ones to shoot are the 7.62mm conversions - eg Israeli, Norwegian, Chilean, etc
 
#18
I had a long look at mosins for those very reasons. With a trigger job and aftermarket sights its going to be more accurate than I am, but then again the cost of the work will bring me to no4 territory albiet with cheaper ammo. Christ this is hard. One of the club guns is a mosin so will be trying it out as soon as possible.
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#19
To start with Id probably want to keep it around £400 for the rifle if possible, with ammo per 100 less than £50. How long would 100rds keep you going for? doubt competitions would be more than 20-30 or so? Im also swaying more towards iron sight disciplines. As dombo says, i can imagine using nothing than your eye and a few bits of metal at 600m or more would be quite satisfying. and it helps keep the costs down which always helps!
any thoughts on a good condition mauser? seems to be a good mid ground in terms of service rifles and ammo isn't prohibitively expensive.
On a morning's target shooting I'll normally get through 30-40 rounds, on the basis that half the morning I'll be in the butts. If the club goes to the electronic ranges that can go up into the hundreds. I'm looking at getting a Mosin for just shooting there. Unless I can persuade 4(T) to sell me his wife's AIA. I keep hinting.
 
#20
100 rounds could cover quite a few range visits. 10 or 20 per visit, taking time over each shot, marking it, noting where you went wrong, or right, getting feedback from your spotter, etc all adds to the fun. As a left-hander I'll never win any mad-minute comps with my No 4.
Don't forget to also allow for a cleaning rod, roll of patches, jag and bronze brush, as well as solvent.
 

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