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First EU fishing vessel escorted out of UK waters

Trade barriers are coming down globally. NAFTA, ASEAN, US/South Korea free trade deal.

The issue for me and many was that EU onwards march to a federal superstate.

To all intents and purposes we have a free trade agreement. All the benefits of minimal barriers, non of the red tape with the added benefit that after 4 and a half years what we voted for has finally been put into play.
We do but we much additional red tape compared to less than 2 weeks ago
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
“Die in a ditch rather than ask for an extension”
”No U.K. PM would ever agree to a border in the Irish Sea”
”All the U.K. is coming out of the EU at the same time on the same terms”
”100,000 Covid tests to be carried out daily by 30 April 2020”
”500,000 Covid tests to be carried out daily by 31 October 2020”
”10,000,000 Covid tests to be carried out daily by 31 December 2020”
“We will take back 100% control of our waters and fish”

I wonder who said all that and FAILED.

If it was all a failure, you'd be happy - and clearly you're not.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
We do but we much additional red tape compared to less than 2 weeks ago
Talking of which, how's the vaccination programme going?
 
If it gets a bit hectic in Scottish fishing areas will Wee Nicky as for assistance from Whitehall or will she blame the Government even though fishery protection is a devolved matter?
 

Yokel

LE
SNP hindering fish exports to score Brexit points - Daily Business

Checks in Scotland are performed by Scottish Government agencies, and Jimmy Buchan of the Scottish Seafood Association said that a check that should take no more than one hour “is taking nearly five hours.”

He added: “The problem is definitely in Scotland, at the hubs prior to dispatch. It’s the one thing that we have continuously asked Government, are they ready? They kept asking us, were we ready? And we are ready, but it appears that Government are not.”
 
The red tape we were promised would not happen
Do you think that a massive global pandemic might have anything to do with this?

France trying to prove a point. Remember we’re not hearing about issue sat there end. Although let’s be honest, we’re scrapping the bottle of the barrel with some of these doom and gloom stories.

Out of interest. Whilst we we in the EU, was it acceptable for us to provide diseased fish that didn’t require inspecting.

You do realise that we have the SNP sitting on the sidelines allowing bad things to happen.

France is in lockdown, so I’m confused as to why they need so many fish to service their restaurants. Every time my customers don’t want our products as they’re overstocked. They start looking for issues to to accept the orders ranging from quality to paperwork issues.

So ultimately we have a media that seems to be reliant on Twitter for its news storys. Some journalists with an agenda trying to make the facts fit the agenda ignoring a huge backdrop of a global issues .

What has truly surprised me on this though is the sheer distances that these food stuffs travel. Everybody’s banging on about the environment yet now getting upset that we can’t export fish 600 miles whilst buying fish caught in the pacific.

Maybe somebody will start realising they can’t have everything they want when they want and start buying food sourced more locally.

Either way, we have minor IT issues, markets ultimately wanting to buy the product. I’m sure these will sort themselves out.

Or did you actually think we’d be able to flick a switch and change everything over night?
 

Daxx

MIA
Book Reviewer
I think the irony in this is beautiful, given Nicola Sturgeon wants to suck up to the EU and give them what they want.
 

Yokel

LE
I think the irony in this is beautiful, given Nicola Sturgeon wants to suck up to the EU and give them what they want.

In 2014 the misinformation in the SNP's campaign was covered by the Channel Four programme Dispatches.

Not only had the SNP/YES lobby offered Scottish fishing grounds to Brussels, but they were actively running a misinformation campaign against the fishing industry. Bad times!
 
Received earlier today, Friday 15 January 2021 . . .

Petition:​

Ban Supertrawlers from UK waters after leaving the EUs Common Fisheries Policy​

We request that the Government proposes a ban on supertrawlers from UK waters after the UK becomes an Independant Coastal State and is no longer restricted by the EU's Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) which allowed these huge vessels to decimate fish stocks and endanger marine ecosystems and species.

Sign this petition

47,682 signatures (Click link immediately above, to add signatures !!).

Government responded

This response was given on 14 January 2021

Now that the transition period has ended, we are reviewing our policy on access for supertrawlers. This review will be driven by evidence.

We are reviewing our policies for supertrawlers. Any action needs to be evidence-based and in line with the UK/EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement.

There is no agreed definition of what a supertrawler is. In the media it has come to be known as a vessel that is over 100m in length. ‘Supertrawlers’ generally target pelagic species of fish within the water column and are unlikely to damage the seabed habitats, such as reef and sediment habitats, for which most Marine Protected Areas (MPAs) are designated. Prohibiting these vessels will not protect MPAs from the fishing activities known to be damaging to some of them, such as bottom trawling.

The creation of MPAs is not generally an effective way to protect and conserve pelagic fish species which these vessels target. This is because these species are not stationary within the boundaries of the MPA where management measures would be applied. Management of stocks through the setting of quota limits has been shown to be a more effective conservation measure for pelagic fish species.

The UK is a global leader in the fight to protect our seas, with 38% of UK waters in Marine Protected Areas. The Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) has restricted our ability to implement fisheries management measures within offshore Marine Protected Areas (MPAs).

The UK is now an independent coastal state and is no longer bound by the CFP. Leaving the CFP gives us the opportunity to introduce sustainable, responsive and resilient new fisheries policies.

In October, the Marine Management Organisation (MMO) issued a call for evidence to inform the management decisions of five MPAs. The call for evidence closed on 15 December and the MMO are currently reviewing the responses. The evidence provided during this process will help shape and inform the MMO’s assessments and options ahead of formal consultation on site management measures early in 2021.

Now we have left the EU, the implementation of the Fisheries Act helps to protect our marine resources and develop plans to restore our fish stock back to more sustainable levels. The Act strengthens the MMO’s powers in a variety of areas, ensuring that they can restore and enhance, as well as conserve, the marine environment in the offshore zone, and to continue to support the delivery of the Government’s Blue Belt Programme. Any new measures to protect MPAs are likely to use the new byelaw powers in the Act.

The Fisheries Act prohibits any commercial fishing vessel (including foreign-registered vessels) from operating in UK waters without a licence. It also provides powers to attach conditions (such as the areas that can be fished, species that can be caught and the type of fishing gear that can be used) to fishing vessel licences.

Foreign vessels operating in UK waters will have to follow UK rules. Where vessels do not comply with these rules enforcement action can be taken against them. We will need to consider how any measures fit with our obligations under the Trade and Cooperation Agreement with the EU and avoid taking any action against individual vessels which could be construed as discriminatory.

The MMO continues to monitor fishing activity in English waters – with dedicated enforcement and surveillance work to protect fisheries, including offshore patrol vessels for at-sea surveillance.

The forthcoming consultations, new byelaw powers and the protections from licensing, mean that the UK’s MPA’s will have greater protection than before.

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.


At 100,000 signatures...​

At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament.
Created by Robert Read
Deadline 23 March 2021
All petitions run for 6 months

Posted on: this "first-eu-fishing-vessel-escorted-out-of-uk-waters" thread; the "what-now-for-the-eu" thread; and, also the "brexit-consequences" thread.
 
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The Scottish Fishermen’s Federation campaigned for Brexit, presumably because they had swallowed the Farage/Johnson line that they could be free from EU regulation while still selling their catch to them.

Reality has now dawned.


This, on top of the desperately poor deal on fisheries in the Trade and Cooperation Agreement, is not what you promised the fishing industry. In your letter to me of 6th July, you said: “We are simply not prepared to agree to an arrangement that is manifestly unbalanced and against the interests of the UK fishing industry.” Yet that is what has been agreed. You also said: “We are committed to ensuring there are annual negotiations for access to, and sharing of, fishing opportunities, based on the principle of zonal attachment.” Yet we find ourselves with an outcome where the EU fleet will continue to have full and unfettered access to UK waters until the middle of 2026, and should the UK want to change these arrangements at that point, the EU can impose a suite of punitive sanctions on the UK. No other coastal state in the world is in this position.

All the posturing about the ”SNP obstructing” exports is desperate bullshit and a smokescreen to try and obscure the real, and now enduring problem. The fact that English fishermen are facing the exact same problems is iron-clad proof.
Brexit: Dorset seafood exporter warns of 'end of the industry' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-5566270

Charlie Samways said extra paperwork and IT issues mean perishable seafood exports from West Bay were taking twice as long to reach customers in the EU.
As a third country outside the European Customs Union, UK exports are subject to new customs and veterinary checks.
 
The Scottish Fishermen’s Federation campaigned for Brexit, presumably because they had swallowed the Farage/Johnson line that they could be free from EU regulation while still selling their catch to them.

Reality has now dawned.


This, on top of the desperately poor deal on fisheries in the Trade and Cooperation Agreement, is not what you promised the fishing industry. In your letter to me of 6th July, you said: “We are simply not prepared to agree to an arrangement that is manifestly unbalanced and against the interests of the UK fishing industry.” Yet that is what has been agreed. You also said: “We are committed to ensuring there are annual negotiations for access to, and sharing of, fishing opportunities, based on the principle of zonal attachment.” Yet we find ourselves with an outcome where the EU fleet will continue to have full and unfettered access to UK waters until the middle of 2026, and should the UK want to change these arrangements at that point, the EU can impose a suite of punitive sanctions on the UK. No other coastal state in the world is in this position.

All the posturing about the ”SNP obstructing” exports is desperate bullshit and a smokescreen to try and obscure the real, and now enduring problem. The fact that English fishermen are facing the exact same problems is iron-clad proof.
Brexit: Dorset seafood exporter warns of 'end of the industry' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-5566270

Charlie Samways said extra paperwork and IT issues mean perishable seafood exports from West Bay were taking twice as long to reach customers in the EU.
As a third country outside the European Customs Union, UK exports are subject to new customs and veterinary checks.
Shows what a poor state the Navy, is in now we are protecting our fisheries with Iron Clads.
Send in the Victory.
 
What are the RoE? Can these foriegn fishing types be classed as pirates and hanged on nearest head of land while the captured vessel is sold as a prize?
 

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