Fire strike question

#1
Membership of the FBU isn't 100% as we know, and there is in some watches more non union members than members.

When and if the workshy go on strike what happens to those non union members?

Will they be used in a supervisory role in support of the Forces crews?

Genuine question, not p1sstaking
 
#2
No they won't be used to supervise service personnel.The reason is that they are left open should anything happen to service personnel if us workshy lot do strike.Now thats not me saying this,this is the Government.That is why it is military trainers who will be giving you your one weeks training at Moreton and not Fire Service instructors.

The overwhelming majority are in the union.In our area nearly all who left have now rejoined and we have actually recruited more than during the dispute.What will happen to non union members who are supposed to be on duty on a strike day.My guess is they won't report.
1/We all have to work together again after the strike
2/most of them are extremely****ed off not getting their long overdue pay rise and I think some floating day holidays will be put in for on that strike day.
No this time I am sorry to say but you will really have to concentrate on your induction week because this time there won't be fire-crews turning out when a mobile phone rings.
Coming through loud and clear is there will be no picketting.Take the stations and the modern engines because we won't be using them.

One little glimmer though is I have heard that Prescott has told the employers to get back to the table on the 27th.
 
#3
So will those who aren't in the union then be in breach of thier contract if they fail to report for work?

Surely noone will swallow a mass exodus of sick notes..

Will those who arent in the union who fail to report be liable for pay?

Surely the way forward for the trumptonites is not to be in the crappy union and not be at work anyway, therefore no union fees monthly and you still get paid when the less bright amongst you are on strike.
 
#4
I believe the Defence Fire Service (Army) will train and supervise service personal. They will also attend major fires providing command and control.

They have already started localised training in readiness for the next Fresco
 
#5
But surely the non striking firemen are still bound by thier contracts?

Even if its 10% that aren't members of the union....
 
#6
Why are we pandering to this Fireshirker shit again?.............they strike; we dont; we are honour bound to abide by our oaths of allegiance; they have the Bank of England to believe in. Lets face it we feckin hate the strikeing feckers ...and they dont care..............................for anyone! As Moody said on another thread....leave em to it and ignore them.
 
#7
Letterwritingman said:
Why are we pandering to this Fireshirker s*** again?.............they strike; we dont; we are honour bound to abide by our oaths of allegiance; they have the Bank of England to believe in. Lets face it we feckin hate the strikeing feckers ...and they dont care..............................for anyone! As Moody said on another thread....leave em to it and ignore them.
Oh my,

what a superb post. However I am coming to terms how you managaded this without a craon. Did you do this all by yourself? and have managed not to add any structure to the debate....Brilliant!
 
#9
havinfun said:
Letterwritingman said:
Why are we pandering to this Fireshirker s*** again?.............they strike; we dont; we are honour bound to abide by our oaths of allegiance; they have the Bank of England to believe in. Lets face it we feckin hate the strikeing feckers ...and they dont care..............................for anyone! As Moody said on another thread....leave em to it and ignore them.
Oh my,

what a superb post. However I am coming to terms how you managaded this without a craon. Did you do this all by yourself? and have managed not to add any structure to the debate....Brilliant!
I hope you're not Trumptons :D press officer
 
#10
Letterwritingman said:
Why are we pandering to this Fireshirker s*** again?.............they strike; we dont; we are honour bound to abide by our oaths of allegiance; they have the Bank of England to believe in. Lets face it we feckin hate the strikeing feckers ...and they dont care..............................for anyone! As Moody said on another thread....leave em to it and ignore them.
Tell me this man was never in charge of a gun.My how proud you must be of him.
 
#11
havinfun said:
Oh my,

what a superb post. However I am coming to terms how you managaded this without a craon. Did you do this all by yourself? and have managed not to add any structure to the debate....Brilliant!
Before you are critical of folks posts, perhaps you should learn how to spell CRAYON and managed

if not you look silly aswell as idle :D
 
#12
You really do not want to go there.The spelling on here is ****ing unbelievable.Go and have a look.Good job you only have to shout "halt who goes there" and not spell it.

Left,right,left,right,left,right,company haaaalllllllltttttt!!!!!!!


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#15
So is anyone going to answer the question... How are the hundreds of absenses going to be justified that day by the none union members?

Are they better off in that they will be paid should they be off sick or whatever workshy excuse they come up with.

Will they be made to take a compulsary holiday that day?
 
#17
Mighty_doh_nut said:
So is anyone going to answer the question... How are the hundreds of absenses going to be justified that day by the none union members?

Are they better off in that they will be paid should they be off sick or whatever workshy excuse they come up with.

Will they be made to take a compulsary holiday that day?

MDN,

As far as I know the same will happen as what happened last time. The employers have given out a phone number that the FF's who dont want to strike or who are not in the union ring, and last time they were told by the employers not to come in. Dont know what happened about the pay though. (I have never found anyone that did it!)

As to the suggestion of striking without a union, well if they did that they would be braking the law (if they didnt follow the union laws) and could all be fired on the spot.

If this time a large amount of FF's say they will not strike they may be sent to Main Stations, and organised into crews to supliment the Army. But it is unlikely that that will happen, as someone said, they will then have to go to work with the strikers after the dispute is over and life would be bad!

With the sickies on a strike day, usually they are asked if they intended to strike and if so then they were docked pay acordingly. If they said that they would have worked then the Govt uses them in it figures of 'During the strike x amount of FF's reported for work.' As they did in the last one, or tried to. As the last one was 9-1 in favour even the long term sickies went on strike.
 
#18
Cheers for that.

How many members does the union have, is there a percentage in relation to serving firemen?

Why would it be difficult to work with those that didn't support the strike afterwards? surely they are free to do as they choose, afterall its the army that are told to do as they are told. Do you not encourage the free speech that many of the FF posters on here preach about?
 
#19
Mighth_Doh_Nut,

Reference to the difficulty of working after the strike is a hard one to answer. It really depends upon personal perception.

For example if the strike went ahead and the result was wonderful conditions a big fat pay rise, in return for a bitter strike that went on for say 8 weeks.

In the other corner you have ff Nonstrike, who took their pay each month without fail and at the result reaps the benefit.

Then you have the next level ff Nostrike Greed, who not only does not strike but works overtime too.

Both situations can be unattainable.

However the worst situation is a Union Member who has voted, and the vote has not gone their way. Teddy is chucked into the corner, as they cross the picket line.

All of these, and I understand you do not agree with the fire strike, however if you can put the scenario to one side and understand. If these people are prepared to look after themselves, what are they going to do if they are in a BA team and FF A relies on FF B to get them both out, where FF B knows he could easily get out safely by himself sacrificing his team member.

Could you trust them?

Would you give them a gun and have them in your battalion?
 
#20
But he is entitled to free speech and choose not to join in with yrou crusade.

Maybe he isn't in the union because he is happy with his lot and doesn't want to rock the apple cart.

To be forced into a scenario where they have to stay away from work when its not thier doing completely defeats the point of not being in the union.

Just because someone disagrees with your argument doesn't mean they can't be trusted or relied upon......... in fact I'd say quite the opposite
 
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