Finished pimping my Hatsan Escort game gun

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A few months ago I bought a Hatsan Escort Gen III semi auto. Many people knock them, the first generation guns were utterly terrible, but these Gen III guns are brilliant, with most of the problems worked out. as an entry level semi auto its brilliant, the only problem I've had is the jamming on 67 mm cartridges- I've never had a jam on 70 mm ones. To the gun- Its a standard Sec 2 gun (2+1) it has an internal choke, a Nordic Components mag tube from Midway UK, a cocking handle from a Hatsan MPA and a side saddle from King Armoury in the USA.
N.B the mag tube is for cosmetics only, it screws on to a crimped 2 shot mag tube. My FLO is happy with this as well. I'm looking at getting into practical shotgun in the near future so will be using this gun initially, upgrading to a Sec 1 and buying a Hatsan MPA.
 

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Kit tart alert, hmm we need a button for that. Nice looking gun by the way. Have you looked at the spring in the crimped mag tube? That may be interferring with the feed of the shorter cartridges, that or the stroke of the rearward travel may just be too much causing the loaded round to tumble slightly in the feed mech? Something that pumps get around with brute force!
 
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I thought it was about a rare variety of 1980's Ford cars.
Saw a thing the other day, looked like a mk2 escort rs2000 but was actually a Ford 'Harrier', go faster stripes and all that malarkey. Nice.
 
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It's not really a game gun is it? Not sure what it is. Combat shotgun with a restricted mag that is fussy about ammunition.

Well shooting is a broad church. As long as it makes you happy.
 

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William Evans buys in the white Turkish Guns to finish in its Banbury Factory!
 

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I have a slack handful of spanish boxlocks going for a song!
 
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How useful is the saddle thingy? I've never tried using one but always thought they were more for the look than anything else.
 
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what song would that be? What does it equate to in your Earth Pounds?
 
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I've seen people with those side shell carriers things for practical. I normally pour a box of 25 into my Barbour pocket and crack on but I'm not very competitive. If you are then the speedtubes are the way to go, seen some keen types load 10 rnds in a matter of just a few seconds.

If you are talking practical then get the procedure right. Reload as you are walking between shots, even if you have rounds left in the mag, not just empty the mag and then reload. Work out the course, note how many rounds you will need at each set of targets. With a 2+1 you'll be loading all the time and a Sec1 will suddenly seem a really good idea.
 

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I've seen people with those side shell carriers things for practical. I normally pour a box of 25 into my Barbour pocket and crack on but I'm not very competitive. If you are then the speedtubes are the way to go, seen some keen types load 10 rnds in a matter of just a few seconds.

If you are talking practical then get the procedure right. Reload as you are walking between shots, even if you have rounds left in the mag, not just empty the mag and then reload. Work out the course, note how many rounds you will need at each set of targets. With a 2+1 you'll be loading all the time and a Sec1 will suddenly seem a really good idea.
The side saddles are only any good during a "load one shot one stage". In reality they are just for show, most guys will wear a forearm pad (holds about 6 rds) just for that stage.

The speed tubes are ok but a pain in the arse to carry, any climbing or crawling and you're screwed.

The best bet is the 4 or 6rd stacks. They hold 4 or 6 rds horizontally on top of each other. With practice you can remove the rounds with one hand and load (best is to learn strong hand loading). You need big hands for the 6 rds.

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/000800841223MS36/SafariLand_6_Round_Shotgun_Shell_Holder_

For mag extensions you need to be thinking of 8 +1 minimum and ideally looking at 9 or 10 + 1 otherwise your course of fire plan becomes extra complicated.
 
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You know how you have an idea and then about a week later see it on sale? That happened with me and the speed loading tubes! Miffed isnt the right word! The best reload for a shotgun is a 9mm!
Keep the spare mags to hand!
 
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How useful is the saddle thingy? I've never tried using one but always thought they were more for the look than anything else.
I have a couple of the top line Mesa tactical machined shell carriers so they must be good! Right up until the moment you sling the thing across your back and then the bloody things dig right into your spine. So I now have some 'spensive paperweights. They look good though.

I ordinarily use a leather cartridge belt for cheapo shot and a six round belt carrier for 00 or slug should it be needed. For on the range plinking I have a small molle dump pouch which holds about two boxes of cartridges.

These work well too I don't own any but borrowed some for a while and must get around to buying a few:

 
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I've seen people with those side shell carriers things for practical. I normally pour a box of 25 into my Barbour pocket and crack on but I'm not very competitive. If you are then the speedtubes are the way to go, seen some keen types load 10 rnds in a matter of just a few seconds.
Yup!!

If you are talking practical then get the procedure right. Reload as you are walking between shots, even if you have rounds left in the mag, not just empty the mag and then reload. Work out the course, note how many rounds you will need at each set of targets. With a 2+1 you'll be loading all the time and a Sec1 will suddenly seem a really good idea.
I was taught that if you have a moment you whang in cartridges. Which brings to mind a quote from Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch:

If you’re in a gunfight:
If you’re not shooting, you should be loading.
If you’re not loading, you should be moving.
If you’re not moving, you’re dead.
 

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