Yes, I know, not exactly a rag that most of this site's membership would confidently use to wipe their arrses with, but the Daily Ireland (Jarlath Kearney, 22Sep05) in response to recent "Sinister covert operations by British forces in Iraq" came up with this one today: "A fortnight ago, the PFC (Pat Finucane Centre) organised a meeting in London addressed by lawyer Phil Shiner who is representing more than 50 families of Iraqi citizens killed by British forces. Mr Shiner outlined systematic abuse â up to and including murder â practised by British soldiers in Iraq, specifically mentioning the ordering of prisoners to cut off the fingers of other prisoners." Now, I did PH and TQ (long ago, and in a green place far away), and I recall being specifically reminded not to do this sort of thing, even if the red mist descended. A little white noise, perhaps. Nor do I recall any recent trials involving Inquisitionary defendants. Does anyone have any idea where the gentle Mr Shiner got this information from?