Jet packs. . . end the thread.
Agree - we have XX rifles in our armory and Y GPMGs yet we have a 'multi role' cleaning kit for every weapon meaning we have 'X+Y' GMPG cleaning kit parts when we only need 'Y'. How this is cheaper is beyond me.Tbh I don't think we were far behind, the 'lightweight' desert dpm and mtp combats had a disposable feel to them as did the boots. Tbh everything (Inc my rifle) was pretty knackered by the time we'd done PDT and the tour so would've wanted chucking regardless.
I think there will always be a few items that will need be the best money can buy (PPE, boots, weapons, rations) but other things are massively over engineered like that new cleaning kit, it's bigger than my daysack
One marvelous piece of kit you have now is the Goretex bivvy bag. In most situations I would suggest that is part of belt-order, not left in the main pack with the sleeping bag. Add a space blanket for where it is cold at night.
A very small weight addition - some shelter from wind, rain, cold when situation doesn't go as planned.
Mozambique? Or parts northern?Interesting. Mobile kit carriers perhaps? Much like the old Bren carriers with their attached sections.
Blokes in the bit of the sandpit where I work operate using Toyota HiLux pick ups, 20 to a pick up. They all pile on with their kit and off they go. They're small and skinny without a lot of shit to drag around, so it's feasible for them.
A mate who does a lot of camping in the kangene with his family using a 4X4 (he's Kenyan so calls it a safari in a velly porsh accent don'ty'know) issues his missus and kids an ammo box each. Whatever goes in there they can take along, the rest stays behind or on their laps or being worn.
Combining the two ideas, perhaps a mobile unit like the Oz bushmaster, individual ammo box type lockers in the seats for the crew and troops attached, rack to sling rucksack/body armour/chest webbing depending what isn't being used in that particular role. Basic kit is belt kit or shooter's belt with rifle, helmet and two mag pouches and two water bottles. Everything else is in the vehicle to be swopped out or worn as required, a bit like the local fighters here who are attached to the vehicle as a mobile unit. Integral water tank in the vehicle for the troops instead of the jerry cans, coke bottles and 50 gallon drums we find in the HiLux. If the vehicle is disabled but the crew and troops are OK, pretty much everything can be carried out or quickly transferred to a new vehicle in a modular way.
It's more a conventional warfare thing but can be used for light fast moving patrols with three units laagered up with one attached troop as security and the other two patrolling. Not the heavy and slow WP BTR stuff we see the combatants using in Ukraine but a more mobile type of warfare with adaptability for COIN.
How on earth does a bivvy bag interfere with fight light ?
It weighs less than a babies wet nappy - and it means you may be able to grab a couple of hours of sleep - rather than no sleep, shivering .
Depends where you are and the climate. In Northern Norway the cold dictates operations. Troops don't venture far without warm clothing to hand. Climatic conditions will also affect logistics as well. The Wehrmacht learn't the hard way in 1941.We all want to be dry, warm and well fed, but the reality is that to fight light we must accept privations.
The essentials are ammo and water.
Everything else is a luxury.
We all want to be dry, warm and well fed, but the reality is that to fight light we must accept privations.
The essentials are ammo and water.
Everything else is a luxury.
You have to bear in mind climatic conditions and local weather.
Summer in N Europe lowlands would probably see you comfortably sleeping out with what you stand up in - in N Europe highlands, possibly not. Wintertime, no to both. Wet weather will adversely affect both ground and your ability to operate and brings risk of exposure. Even dry sandy places can get a terrific drop in temperature overnight.
It may well be that you get a 30L daysack which contains goretex bivvy, waterproofs and basic warm kit ( woolly hat/snood, gloves, socks, snugpack softy or fleece shirt ) plus 3 combat rations that give a basic 1200 calories a day and a hot drink. Far less than you need, but just to make sure you don't crash. Water resup will have to be carefully planned. Assume 6 litres for 3 days and thats 6kg in weight - which to be fair gets lighter every day. When you get back you get force fed cake and proper scoff for a few days so you replace lost body fat before the next round.
You dont have to carry the day sack into battle, but you need to have it handy.
...At the other end of the scale, last weekend I was at dinner with an ex-member of the South African SF. He showed me his smock. I've never seen such a well put together outdoor garment. I've added a picture of one (not his).
Sheepskin patches on the shoulders and on the bottoms of the pockets. Just a really, really well-constructed item. I'd happily have one in less military colours as a general-use jacket.
Patrols?I think osprey in full plates alone during the latter stages of HERRICK was 20-25lb. Can't recall which ECM suite was the heaviest as I was saddled with a nice light radio as 2IC.
Mind having to wear those f***ing stupid cod pieces as well ?? And getting kit checked to make sure you were wearing the black ballistic lycra shorts prior to patrols. I'm surprised I'm still fertile!
'Agile' would be a distant adjective to describe the manoeuvrability of our patrols.
There’s more than that. There’s the misplaced pride that our guys can hack continually carrying heavy loads over ground. This is seen as the acme of soldiering. It completely misses the point of arriving fit to fight, both in terms of personal freshness and with adequate equipment, ammunition and so on.Unfortunately there are VSO / ambitions SO elements in infantry that fear the blindingly obvious deduction, (let the waggon to the tabbing) as that -as they see it - would render them "mere" panzergrenadiers, thereby reducing the number of infantry brigades and Bns.
ETA: Thee track record of reality penetrating the upper echelons of the Army is pathetic.
I was that soldier.Patrols?
DPM Jap hat or cap comforter
Lacky bands around the legs and sleeves. Or BHM
Toggle rope as a belt. Or rifle sling
One spare mag in each pocket.
pair of plimsolls.
Blanket (or groundsheet) and a right angle torch to read the map under.
Mars Bar (or oatmeal block)if you are dicked for the FRV.