FIFA World Cup 2018

I forget who said it but, watching the last minutes of yesterday's England v. Croatia match, I was reminded of the saying...

"When the British Empire finally sinks beneath the waves of history, it will leave behind it only two memorials - one is the game of Association Football and the other is the expression, "F**k Off!".
 
Again i have to point out that when Division 1/Premier League was predominantly English players, England were still crap.
Quality crap....its all relative. Would we have the improved quality of the teams in Senegal, Egypt, Japan etc if it were not for the participation of their players in major European leagues? All a good thing, but it has costs - opportunity costs - a well known socio-economic concept that affects football too.
 
The dream’s over for another four years, at least it saves us a thread arguing what honours they should all get
Yeah, it leaves it free for all the boring tw4ts to bang on about how they ‘told us so’ and try to impress us with their ‘knowledge’ of team management.

My only dissapointment is the way that the fvcking cancerous media ramped up the hype in the last week. It was all going so well, then as soon as Dyers penalty went in, the cvnts in the media all jumped in and started to ruin everything.

I wish there was a way that we could remove them. Life would be wonderful without the media.....and politicians.
 

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At least England qualified, unlike us yet again. There is a lot of but it was a weak group you never beat anybody big, so what it doesn't work that way, you only play the teams that you are drawn against and to be beaten by two of the top 4 of the tournament is no disgrace.

There are other teams sitting at home thinking, if only.
 
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Quality crap....its all relative. Would we have the improved quality of the teams in Senegal, Egypt, Japan etc if it were not for the participation of their players in major European leagues? All a good thing, but it has costs - opportunity costs - a well known socio-economic concept that affects football too.
Are you sure you're following your own point?

England were severe under achievers when English players were abundant in the top league. They are/were no different when foreign players began to outnumber them.

England's issues are varied, but one big one, was the inability of the FA, clubs, fans etc, to get out of the old mindsets of "get it up to the big lad" etc. How many top quality young players who were maybe smaller, not as strong, but technically gifted, were lost to such out-dated methods...i'd bet quite a few.

Football had changed, and England got left behind.
 

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England came to this competition with little hope of doing much, they are returning, after Saturday, as a team with huge potential to build on. They also seem to have found a manager able to send out a team. All great stuff for the game in England.

I wonder how long before the guys at the FA feck it all up :mad:. :twisted:
 
Are you sure you're following your own point?

England were severe under achievers when English players were abundant in the top league. They are/were no different when foreign players began to outnumber them.

England's issues are varied, but one big one, was the inability of the FA, clubs, fans etc, to get out of the old mindsets of "get it up to the big lad" etc. How many top quality young players who were maybe smaller, not as strong, but technically gifted, were lost to such out-dated methods...i'd bet quite a few.

Football had changed, and England got left behind.
I was acknowledging your point, citing a potential cause (note the singular use) and supporting my own argument by citing 'opportunity' costs. Properly so called, an 'argument' isn't a fight, its a reasoned position that acknowledges alternative points of view. End of lesson. To follow your latest point, there is always a degree of subjectivity in the selection aspects of any human process. It is easy to identify deficiencies, less so to prove that alternatives would have been any more successful.
 

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Same as in Glasgow.

If one half of the womanhood in Weedgieland isn't getting battered on a Saturday, the other half is.

Pathetic simply isn't descriptive enough.
In all fairness it flows both ways. I was helping the wife a few Sunday's back to make the dinner, I was starting on the gravy and mearly asked where she keeps the lumps.


Well I never moved so quick in my life.=-D
 
A nation of 350,000 did for England two years ago! See my post 3358. It took a nation with a population ten times greater than ours nearly/just over a hundred years to catch us. Happy days.
I was aware of that and the fact Croatia are a population of only 4m when I made the comment.

I’ll leave you to figure out why.
 
Listening to Chris Kamara [sic] this morning he made a good point. "In the first half we got forward and Croatia allowed us the space to do so, however after the break they changed their game plan, pressed us further up the field and gained more space for their midfield to exploit. We didn't appear to have a plan to counter it."

I agree and wondered why Southgate let us continue as we were instead of looking to adapt our shape and personnel as a counter. Tactically naïve perhaps and I hope he and his staff have learnt from it.

A young team who will have gained valuable experience to take into the 2020 European Championships, onward and upward.
 

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