FFS! Why dont Liebour just classify ALL UK adults as paedos

#5
leveller said:
Dont the Police and Goverment use like an admin agency to collate CRB checks, run by a ministers partner?
And payed for by us, this is just another Labour method of taxing the people, you will need a license or certificate for breathing next and you can bet it will cost a bomb,
 
#6
Fronty said:
Don't give people ideas
Yep everyone knows ARRSE is where all the party's get their policies from. 8)

It really is a sad indictment of the times where you have to prove your innocence rather than your guilt
 
#7
Who is guarding those who seem to guarding our morals. When EVERY citizen is CRB checked, starting at the TOP of the food chain then that,s ok, but until then, LEAVE US ALONE you spying prying interfering *********.

And No, I,m not a Fiddler, and despise those who are. :x :x :x :x :x :x
 
#8
You would be surprised how many members of the government would fail a CRB check
 
#9
So if look through a shop window see a school girl (or boy) mannequin dressed nicely make an observation in that “it looks nice” and I purchase the said items (making reference of the child like mannequin to the shop keeper) am I to be considered a risk of been a devo/pedo? or something as equally trivial
 
#10
tropper66 said:
You would be surprised how many members of the government would fail a CRB check
Do you mean mrs Harman??

New Liabour, same old tax.

They cannot even keep peoples medical records protected from the Indian call centres!!!!!!!!!

234,000 public servants records have been stolen and accessable via the net!!!!!!!!!!

Discs going missing on trains,why do we have governments??

End of rant
 
#11
After being (reluctantly) voted onto my kids Scout Group commitee and attended one of their more boring meetings and trying to look interested, there was one statement that caught my attention. Nonchalantly one of the leaders asked when they were going to CRB All the parents. It was agreed just after Christmas all parents would be given CRB forms and would be expected to fill them out and submit them on the evening.

I asked what authourity it was to CRB all parents and they quoted the Scout Organisation. "OK" I said, "as it's not a requirement to complete a CRB unless the parent is undertaking a event/visit, then what will you do if someone either fails or refuses?" the reply was that a list would be held of non-cleared (sic) parents and they won't be allowed to participate or attend any Scout/Cub/Beaver evenings or events and are only allowed to drop their child off and then leave the building :eek:

None of them saw any difficulty in, was is tantamount, to calling parents paedo's or unfit to be with children. I was absolutley gobsmacked.

Fecking do-gooders who feel that uneccasary intursion and infringement is justified and almost said that if they don't agree then they shouldn't be trusted. Cunts!
 
#12
Fat_Cav said:
After being (reluctantly) voted onto my kids Scout Group commitee and attended one of their more boring meetings and trying to look interested, there was one statement that caught my attention. Nonchalantly one of the leaders asked when they were going to CRB All the parents. It was agreed just after Christmas all parents would be given CRB forms and would be expected to fill them out and submit them on the evening.

I asked what authourity it was to CRB all parents and they quoted the Scout Organisation. "OK" I said, "as it's not a requirement to complete a CRB unless the parent is undertaking a event/visit, then what will you do if someone either fails or refuses?" the reply was that a list would be held of non-cleared (sic) parents and they won't be allowed to participate or attend any Scout/Cub/Beaver evenings or events and are only allowed to drop their child off and then leave the building :eek:

None of them saw any difficulty in, was is tantamount, to calling parents paedo's or unfit to be with children. I was absolutley gobsmacked.

Fecking do-gooders who feel that uneccasary intursion and infringement is justified and almost said that if they don't agree then they shouldn't be trusted. Cunts!
They sound like labour party members to me, unless they have a superiority complex.

What happens if an aunt or uncle drops children off instead of the parents??I forgot to mention siblings over 18 and grand parents as well??
 
#13
tropper66 said:
You would be surprised how many members of the government would fail a CRB check
A CRB is not a fail or pass.

It is a report on any criminal convictions or police investigations into an individual.

What the person requesting the check then does with information is up to them, e.g. an employer either offering the person a job or not.

But yes, i think CRB's of members of the government would make very interesting reading.
 
#14
Fat_Cav said:
After being (reluctantly) voted onto my kids Scout Group commitee and attended one of their more boring meetings and trying to look interested, there was one statement that caught my attention. Nonchalantly one of the leaders asked when they were going to CRB All the parents. It was agreed just after Christmas all parents would be given CRB forms and would be expected to fill them out and submit them on the evening.

I asked what authourity it was to CRB all parents and they quoted the Scout Organisation. "OK" I said, "as it's not a requirement to complete a CRB unless the parent is undertaking a event/visit, then what will you do if someone either fails or refuses?" the reply was that a list would be held of non-cleared (sic) parents and they won't be allowed to participate or attend any Scout/Cub/Beaver evenings or events and are only allowed to drop their child off and then leave the building :eek:

None of them saw any difficulty in, was is tantamount, to calling parents paedo's or unfit to be with children. I was absolutley gobsmacked.

Fecking do-gooders who feel that uneccasary intursion and infringement is justified and almost said that if they don't agree then they shouldn't be trusted. Cunts!
So all this is going to do is stop parents being able to help out at Scouts etc , thereby making it harder on the Troop Leades etc., also who is going to pay for it as I doubt if the parents would be happy to, and keeping a list of Un-cleared parents I am sure Uncle Joe Stalin would approve as would the Stasi, my work does involve children so I have CRB that says I am all a goody too shoes, when I offered to help at another group I had to get another one even though I had one, and to be honest all they say is that you have not been caught.
 
#15
'Neues Arbeit Partie', Pa McRuin, Lord Mendacious and all their unholy Marxist and ex-Commie 'Fellow Travellers' are determined to create a Mass Database with as many names/personal details on it as possible. if they cannot do it through National ID Cards, they will try it on somehwere else.

If they can even get everyone's DNA on record, all the more the merrier. Of course Plod would like this, but thats their job, maybe!!

However from the days of the Gurning Farkwit B'Liar to our current Farckwit McDoom, they will try any which-way to get as many names on their Databases as possible..... then flog them off to commercial companies for a few Shillings to spend on more 'Neus Arbeit' Blah!!

It is the 'Creeping Anti-Civil Liberties' syndrome of a farked up, incompetent and glorious 'Alice in Blunder-land' culture of McDoom and his stupid Pals.. :roll:
 
#16
If it's not broken, don't fix it. Bunch of interfering cnuts.
 
#17
Conrad_Cock said:
Fat_Cav said:
After being (reluctantly) voted onto my kids Scout Group commitee and attended one of their more boring meetings and trying to look interested, there was one statement that caught my attention. Nonchalantly one of the leaders asked when they were going to CRB All the parents. It was agreed just after Christmas all parents would be given CRB forms and would be expected to fill them out and submit them on the evening.

I asked what authourity it was to CRB all parents and they quoted the Scout Organisation. "OK" I said, "as it's not a requirement to complete a CRB unless the parent is undertaking a event/visit, then what will you do if someone either fails or refuses?" the reply was that a list would be held of non-cleared (sic) parents and they won't be allowed to participate or attend any Scout/Cub/Beaver evenings or events and are only allowed to drop their child off and then leave the building :eek:

None of them saw any difficulty in, was is tantamount, to calling parents paedo's or unfit to be with children. I was absolutley gobsmacked.

Fecking do-gooders who feel that uneccasary intursion and infringement is justified and almost said that if they don't agree then they shouldn't be trusted. Cunts!
So all this is going to do is stop parents being able to help out at Scouts etc , thereby making it harder on the Troop Leades etc., also who is going to pay for it as I doubt if the parents would be happy to, and keeping a list of Un-cleared parents I am sure Uncle Joe Stalin would approve as would the Stasi, my work does involve children so I have CRB that says I am all a goody too shoes, when I offered to help at another group I had to get another one even though I had one, and to be honest all they say is that you have not been caught.
You're absolutely right. I have CRB via the St John Ambulance and the South Central Ambulance Service but I still had to fill one out for the Scout Association to help out on the Cubs Summer camp, which I have no beef with, but to potentially vet all parents and then keep a list around the Scout Hut of, theorectically, desirables and non-desirables is a little too much.

I suggested having a list of 'Willing Volunteers' who having had a positive CRB would make up a core of helpers and those not cleared/unwilling be informed that they cannot help out but only pick-up/drop-off. They seemed mis-guided by the policy from Scout HQ regarding access and feel fit to CRB everyone. I'm also sure that Scout HQ will drown under the huge amount of paperwork it will recieve if it's sptread out across the board.

SSeeker said:
What happens if an aunt or uncle drops children off instead of the parents??I forgot to mention siblings over 18 and grand parents as well??
This won't have any affect as long as they don't expect to be able to stay on. Anyone will be able drop off and collect but only those with 'desirable' CRB's will be allowed to stay around and help out.

I'm not anti-Scout or any yoof movement but all the leaders have been so for years and being checked out/cleared has become the norm but for then to assume that all parents should willingly accept CRB just to spend time with their child(ren) and help out the (often busy) Group Leaders on a perhaps one-off is taking precautions too far.

Ironically, most recent cases of Child abuse/murder have had clear CRB's and in obvious positions of trust. It reminds me of the National ID card introduction hype regarding them to stopping terrorism. Weren't all the July 7/7 and three of the four July 21/7 terrorists British?
 
#18
Fat_Cav said:
Conrad_Cock said:
Fat_Cav said:
After being (reluctantly) voted onto my kids Scout Group commitee and attended one of their more boring meetings and trying to look interested, there was one statement that caught my attention. Nonchalantly one of the leaders asked when they were going to CRB All the parents. It was agreed just after Christmas all parents would be given CRB forms and would be expected to fill them out and submit them on the evening.

I asked what authourity it was to CRB all parents and they quoted the Scout Organisation. "OK" I said, "as it's not a requirement to complete a CRB unless the parent is undertaking a event/visit, then what will you do if someone either fails or refuses?" the reply was that a list would be held of non-cleared (sic) parents and they won't be allowed to participate or attend any Scout/Cub/Beaver evenings or events and are only allowed to drop their child off and then leave the building :eek:

None of them saw any difficulty in, was is tantamount, to calling parents paedo's or unfit to be with children. I was absolutley gobsmacked.

Fecking do-gooders who feel that uneccasary intursion and infringement is justified and almost said that if they don't agree then they shouldn't be trusted. Cunts!
So all this is going to do is stop parents being able to help out at Scouts etc , thereby making it harder on the Troop Leades etc., also who is going to pay for it as I doubt if the parents would be happy to, and keeping a list of Un-cleared parents I am sure Uncle Joe Stalin would approve as would the Stasi, my work does involve children so I have CRB that says I am all a goody too shoes, when I offered to help at another group I had to get another one even though I had one, and to be honest all they say is that you have not been caught.
You're absolutely right. I have CRB via the St John Ambulance and the South Central Ambulance Service but I still had to fill one out for the Scout Association to help out on the Cubs Summer camp, which I have no beef with, but to potentially vet all parents and then keep a list around the Scout Hut of, theorectically, desirables and non-desirables is a little too much.

I suggested having a list of 'Willing Volunteers' who having had a positive CRB would make up a core of helpers and those not cleared/unwilling be informed that they cannot help out but only pick-up/drop-off. They seemed mis-guided by the policy from Scout HQ regarding access and feel fit to CRB everyone. I'm also sure that Scout HQ will drown under the huge amount of paperwork it will recieve if it's sptread out across the board.

SSeeker said:
What happens if an aunt or uncle drops children off instead of the parents??I forgot to mention siblings over 18 and grand parents as well??
This won't have any affect as long as they don't expect to be able to stay on. Anyone will be able drop off and collect but only those with 'desirable' CRB's will be allowed to stay around and help out.

I'm not anti-Scout or any yoof movement but all the leaders have been so for years and being checked out/cleared has become the norm but for then to assume that all parents should willingly accept CRB just to spend time with their child(ren) and help out the (often busy) Group Leaders on a perhaps one-off is taking precautions too far.

Ironically, most recent cases of Child abuse/murder have had clear CRB's and in obvious positions of trust. It reminds me of the National ID card introduction hype regarding them to stopping terrorism. Weren't all the July 7/7 and three of the four July 21/7 terrorists British?
I may or may not understand the CRB fully, I only have had 7 CRB checks in 4 yeras, but if there is a CRB check done by the scouts and the parents pass thats fantastic. Did you tell them that a CRB is only current at the time of print they dont lapse (the fact they do is a myth, its a reccomendation not a requirement to renew). The only time you have to renew a CRB is if you move and tell the CRB, so as soon as they pass a CRB they can kidnap six kids keep them in their celler and do all things to them get caught and the only way it will affect their CRB with the scouts if if they move as the database isnt updated until an application is made.

Also how many parents are going to pay the 80 pounds required for enchanced disclosure which is required to work with children.
 
#19
The_Rattler said:
So if look through a shop window see a school girl (or boy) mannequin dressed nicely make an observation in that “it looks nice” and I purchase the said items (making reference of the child like mannequin to the shop keeper) am I to be considered a risk of been a devo/pedo? or something as equally trivial

Very probably…

Cameras and the taking of photos or videos are verboten in my daughters kids Junior School. No exceptions even for the school plays and sports days…and the reason? 'Peadophiles might be in the crowd'. 8O
 
#20
Nutter said:
Fat_Cav said:
Conrad_Cock said:
Fat_Cav said:
After being (reluctantly) voted onto my kids Scout Group commitee and attended one of their more boring meetings and trying to look interested, there was one statement that caught my attention. Nonchalantly one of the leaders asked when they were going to CRB All the parents. It was agreed just after Christmas all parents would be given CRB forms and would be expected to fill them out and submit them on the evening.

I asked what authourity it was to CRB all parents and they quoted the Scout Organisation. "OK" I said, "as it's not a requirement to complete a CRB unless the parent is undertaking a event/visit, then what will you do if someone either fails or refuses?" the reply was that a list would be held of non-cleared (sic) parents and they won't be allowed to participate or attend any Scout/Cub/Beaver evenings or events and are only allowed to drop their child off and then leave the building :eek:

None of them saw any difficulty in, was is tantamount, to calling parents paedo's or unfit to be with children. I was absolutley gobsmacked.

Fecking do-gooders who feel that uneccasary intursion and infringement is justified and almost said that if they don't agree then they shouldn't be trusted. Cunts!
So all this is going to do is stop parents being able to help out at Scouts etc , thereby making it harder on the Troop Leades etc., also who is going to pay for it as I doubt if the parents would be happy to, and keeping a list of Un-cleared parents I am sure Uncle Joe Stalin would approve as would the Stasi, my work does involve children so I have CRB that says I am all a goody too shoes, when I offered to help at another group I had to get another one even though I had one, and to be honest all they say is that you have not been caught.
You're absolutely right. I have CRB via the St John Ambulance and the South Central Ambulance Service but I still had to fill one out for the Scout Association to help out on the Cubs Summer camp, which I have no beef with, but to potentially vet all parents and then keep a list around the Scout Hut of, theorectically, desirables and non-desirables is a little too much.

I suggested having a list of 'Willing Volunteers' who having had a positive CRB would make up a core of helpers and those not cleared/unwilling be informed that they cannot help out but only pick-up/drop-off. They seemed mis-guided by the policy from Scout HQ regarding access and feel fit to CRB everyone. I'm also sure that Scout HQ will drown under the huge amount of paperwork it will recieve if it's sptread out across the board.

SSeeker said:
What happens if an aunt or uncle drops children off instead of the parents??I forgot to mention siblings over 18 and grand parents as well??
This won't have any affect as long as they don't expect to be able to stay on. Anyone will be able drop off and collect but only those with 'desirable' CRB's will be allowed to stay around and help out.

I'm not anti-Scout or any yoof movement but all the leaders have been so for years and being checked out/cleared has become the norm but for then to assume that all parents should willingly accept CRB just to spend time with their child(ren) and help out the (often busy) Group Leaders on a perhaps one-off is taking precautions too far.

Ironically, most recent cases of Child abuse/murder have had clear CRB's and in obvious positions of trust. It reminds me of the National ID card introduction hype regarding them to stopping terrorism. Weren't all the July 7/7 and three of the four July 21/7 terrorists British?
I may or may not understand the CRB fully, I only have had 7 CRB checks in 4 yeras, but if there is a CRB check done by the scouts and the parents pass thats fantastic. Did you tell them that a CRB is only current at the time of print they dont lapse (the fact they do is a myth, its a reccomendation not a requirement to renew). The only time you have to renew a CRB is if you move and tell the CRB, so as soon as they pass a CRB they can kidnap six kids keep them in their celler and do all things to them get caught and the only way it will affect their CRB with the scouts if if they move as the database isnt updated until an application is made.

Also how many parents are going to pay the 80 pounds required for enchanced disclosure which is required to work with children.
I tried to argue your point in bold but the policy that comes from Scout HQ (County or not?) says that a CRB has to be done for those parents/guardians/helpers that have access to the kiddies outside of normal pick-up & drop-off and having them CRB'd will tick the 'We did our bit' box when the Arkala(sp?) turns out to be Chief Paedo from Paedo-land.

Also the parents won't pay, with my voluntary work I remember that volunteers don't pay at all and the CRB website says:

CRB" said:
" A volunteer can be defined as a person who is engaged in any activity which involves spending time, unpaid (except for travelling and other approved out-of-pocket expenses), doing something which aims to benefit some third party other than or in addition to a close relative."
I expect that to change when they suddenly receive 000's of requests that were normally FOC.

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