This topic is not about having a go about Women in the Army, but a genuine question about Combat Effectiveness since the wider employment of women. Has the wider employment of women in the Armed Forces been of benifit to Combat Effectiveness in the British Army I consider Combat Effectiveness to be based on the individual and collective performance of soldiers in a unit, regardless of capbadge, to complete their mission in a combat environment and be prepared to close with and kill the enemy in either attack or defence. I have met a lot of top quality female tradesmen, excellent female officers and managers of personnel, brave, intelligent and fit female leaders all who wear the Queens uniform and have the distinct priveledge of bearing arms. Yet I have still to meet a woman soldier, SNCO or Officer who truly believes in the warrior ethos of the true professional soldier. Does "Force Protection" now mean the general issue of condoms to all or do we still expect and train our combat supports troops to survive in the field as soldiers and ultimately be prepared to penetrate the chest of the enemy with a bayonet to complete their mission in defence of their equipment and comrades. From my own experience I have seen the following: Female OC in a Div regt sub-unit. Best OC in Barracks you could want. Very fit, brilliant staff work and looked after the guys. Her management style was exceptional and she had the trust and respect of all her soldiers. BUT, she absolutely hated being in the field!. Thought drill was very silly and got out on redundancy. female soldiers on an Op who blatently said they "couldn't kill anyone and didn't want to be there!" female soldier who was awarded best soldier on a battle camp out of 167 blokes! And she was the best. Fit, confident, tough, best shot, full CFT (with helmets worn!). female troop commander who boasted that she passed the male BPFA at RMAS but couldn't keep up with (never mind lead) her troops on a run. From what I have observed, the wider employment of women has gradually eroded the physical and robust soldiering standards of the Other Arms and Services. They are subtly civilianising and softening our armed forces. Men and women that would have been weeded out in recruit training for not being physically or mentally robust enough for military service are now passed through the sausage factory to units. or have women been forced into wider employment in the army against their will (since the disbandment of WRAC) to fulfill some EU IIP/EO legislation. Good to hear the views from both sides. I AM NOW WEARING CBA, HELMET AND PREPARING FOR INCOMMING!!