Female P Coy Pass

He was probably both but no links.
What's the basis for you saying 'probably both'? I am intrigued particularly as you say 'no links' hence no evidence.
 
From what I have read he was a wartime officer in a peace time Army and didn't fit in.
That is not a criticism of Mike Calvert but of the officers jealous of his history and ability.
Mike Calvert was a regular officer in the Royal Engineers. He was posted to Hong Kong before the war and was posted back home in 1939. He was with the Independent companies in Norway in 1940, and helped set up the first Commandos. Later in 1940 together with Spencer-Chapman (The Jungle is Neutral) they travelled to Australia to set up the first Australian Independent Company (later Commando Companies) 2/1 Independent Company. The forerunners of todays Australian Special Forces.

From there he travelled to Burma setting up a bush warfare school with commando elements from survivors from Layforce in Crete. He led them out of Burma.

He was a great disciple of Wingate and took part in both Chindit expeditions. For the second expedition he was a Brigadier in command of 77 Brigade. Some of his soldiers were Hong Kong Chinese who had served with him in the REs and the HKVDC pre-war. After the British Surrender in 1941 in the invasion of HK they had escaped overland in mainland China through occupied country to India.

After the war he reverted to his substansive rank of Major and back to his duties of a regular RE officer. He was regarded as one of the foremost experts in the army in jungle and unconventional warfare. Montgomery as CGS asked him to go to Malaya where the Emergency had kicked off in 1948, to carry out an inspection and give his recommendations.

He travelled alone and unescorted all round Malaya with just his rifle visiting different units. One of his main recommendations was the 'Protected Villages' where the chinese squatters would be relocated to protected villages.

As the CTs gained a lot of support, money and food from the squatters, this would cut off their food supplies and force them deeper into the jungle and away from the support of the peaple.

This report was presented to the GOC Malaya - General Briggs and became known as 'The Briggs Plan. Chin Peng in his autobiography says that this was the main reason for the failure of the communist uprising. One result of Calverts report was the sacking of the CO of one of the Guards battalions by the General Briggs. When Calvert had visted his unit the CO had complained of having to fight bare arrsed savages. Calvert didn't think that this was the attitude needed in this campaign.

By this time after a number of years hard fighting in harsh terrain he was in poor health and posted home. Promoted to Lt Col he was posted to BAOR where the unfortunate incident happened. Amongst the allegations I heard was that he was set up by the german youths who had neo-nazi sympathies. A similar thing happened around the same time to a Lt Col was was the guy who captured Himmler.

He was a hard drinker who had a bit of a drink problem for most of his life.
 
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Fighting Hector McDonald had a similar problem. From Private soldier in the Gordon Highlanders to Major General.

Seems to have invented the concept of the Mess Webley.
 
Wikipedia:

"During his tenure as Governor-General of Australia, Slim was patron of the Fairbridge Farm child migration to Australia, which has been subject to scrutiny in recent years both in the United Kingdom and Australia. Since 2007, three former child migrants alledge Slim sexually assaulted them during visits to the farms. These allegations were dismissed at that time by those who had served under Slim in the army and by his son John Slim, 2nd Viscount Slim. The allegations were aired again on ABC television in the programme The Long Journey Home, broadcast on 17 November 2009.

On 27 February 2017, ABC aired another programme detailing the allegations against Slim and Fairbridge Farm. According to one estimate by a former pupil and journalist, David Hill, some 60 percent of children who went to Fairbridge were abused.


Somehow or another, I was sat on his [Slim's] knee and, ah, um, these silky white hands were right up, because I was wearing shorts, right up my trousers and yeah, it was not, not very nice.
— Robert Stephens recounting a drive in Governor-General Slim's car, 2017


In June 2019, the government of the Australian Capital Territory announced that, after considering allegations made to the Government, submissions by the Slim family and the royal commission into child sexual abuse, it had decided to change the name of William Slim Drive, which connects the town centres of Belconnen and Gungahlin. The government had asked for advice from the ACT Place Names Committee about new naming options.
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Who's to say? The man isn't here to defend himself. That doesn't make him guilty in my eyes, or innocent.

I'm sure that there are valid and vexatious claims about abuse. I'm not about to offer an opinion on the ones here as it'd just be conjecture. Personally, I hope they're untrue. Equally, if they were true I hope the victims feel that they've been heard.
The problem I have with these allegations is that as the Governer General it is unlikely that General Slim would ever be on his own even just with him and his driver. It is likely that he would have his ADC with him and probably an AFP bodyguard. While they might be discreet if Old Bill was knocking off a filly on the side, but kiddies, I doubt it.

The same with Ted Heath and FM Bramill. Ted was a strange person but as PM and even ex PM he would always be in the company of his police BG and other staff such as civil servants. They might have tolerated a gay lover, but child sex - I doubt it. Not just because it was illegal but he could be subject to blackmail by the Soviets.

The same with FM Bramill, as CDS in the eighties when the IRA were active in England, he would have an RMP BG team, plus ADC, Driver, and house staff.

Even as a lowly woodentop PC, if the investigation landed in my in-tray, the first thing I would have done is spoken too his house staff, and obtained the official diaries in the MOD before breaking down his front door like they did.
 
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Cold_Collation

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The problem I have with these allegations is that as the Governer General it is unlikely that General Slim would ever be on his own even just with him and his driver. It is likely that he would have his ADC with him and probably an AFP bodyguard. While they might be discreet if Old Bill was knocking off a filly on the side, but kiddies, I doubt it.

The same with Ted Heath and FM Bramill. Ted was a strange person but as PM and even ex PM he would always be in the company of his police BG and other staff such as civil servants. They might have tolerated a gay lover, but child sex - I doubt it. Not just because it was illegal but he could be subject to blackmail by the Soviets.

The same with FM Bramill, as CDS in the eighties when the IRA were active in England, he would have an RMP BG team, plus ADC, Driver, and house staff.

Even as a lowly woodentop PC, if the investigation landed in my in-tray, the first thing I would have done is spoken too his house staff, and obtained the official diaries in the MOD before breaking down his front door like they did.
My point - it’s easy to make allegations against an absent party.

In fact, because of over-compensation, it’s also currently too easy to make allegations full stop. Tom Watson might be able to hold forth there.
 
My point - it’s easy to make allegations against an absent party.

In fact, because of over-compensation, it’s also currently too easy to make allegations full stop. Tom Watson might be able to hold forth there.
Of course, there is no history whatsoever of the powerful and connected suppressing rightful allegations about all sorts of things.

We should believe our betters when they tell us all is well...
 

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Now, I never said that at all.

Carl Beech is a case in point, though.
As are many other vexatious claims, made for a variety of reasons such as:

petty jealousy
passed over for promotion
"no smoke without fire" principle
personal inadequacy
5 minutes of fame (with or without compensation) mentality...
 
Now, I never said that at all.

Carl Beech is a case in point, though.
He is a very extreme example of an awful situation that definitely shouldn’t have happened.

That is not typical and given the prevalence of abuse, there is no reason to think that it wouldn’t be committed by the great and good. Especially in a time when deference and pressure to stay quiet for fear of disadvantage were more than today.
 

Cold_Collation

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He is a very extreme example of an awful situation that definitely shouldn’t have happened.

That is not typical and given the prevalence of abuse, there is no reason to think that it wouldn’t be committed by the great and good. Especially in a time when deference and pressure to stay quiet for fear of disadvantage were more than today.
I wouldn't suggest for a moment he was/is the norm. Probably why he got 18 years.

At the same time, and this is seized upon with alacrity by the media as well as the 'crush the Establishment' types, their is a presumption of guilt and a preponderance of column inches given over to the "I told you so"-type stories.

I'm absolutely in favour of allegations being investigated fully and properly, and I get very angry at the cover-ups of the past - we've had Cyril Smith in the press again just this week, for instance - but I do worry that there's over-compensation.

There's that line that the victor gets to write his/her history. I'm very aware that many of the 'great and good' are rather less than.
 
Of course, there is no history whatsoever of the powerful and connected suppressing rightful allegations about all sorts of things.

We should believe our betters when they tell us all is well...
That is the problem. Happens all too often as is the Liberal case. But the point here is that figures mentioned were surrounded by peaple quite low in the pecking order. Surely some rumours by peaple close to them corroborating the allegations would have surfaced, as has happened recently with Mountbatten, even though Ted and Bill have long departed. But they haven't.

Unfortunatly because things have been covered up by the establishment in the past, two great soldiers who served there country well have there reputations tarnished. Athough E.B.s has been happily restored, as B.S.s are alledged to have happened 65 years ago, any of his staff who could refute the allegations, have probably, long gone to that great parade ground in the sky.
 
Anyway chaps, a woman has passed P coy.
Any thoughts?
P Company has got a lot easier. They don't have to carry That rifle, wear 58 pattern webbing, DMS boots and puttees, and carry the old H frame bergen. It still takes some Para Reg recruits three attempts to pass it though, with the last hat team on the stretcher race well in front of the lead Airborne god team.

And despite all this a girly hat dropshort still goes and passes it first time.
 
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In the book Shoot To Kill by Michael Asher, he describes his own P company in 1971. There is an event I have never heard of called the Ammo Resupply Race, in which each recruit had a frame strapped to his back, with 3 or 4 cannisters filled with sand to replicate some shells they are to resupply for an anti tank gun, and made to run a distance over the Aldershot training area. I dont remember the distance or the weight of the frames though.

He also mentions that he missed the Log Race due to an interview with his Depot 2ic about going for a commission. They tell him he has passed P Company, and let him off the event.
 
With a lass now in the RAF Regt that’s two women in Britain’s elite forces.
 
In the book Shoot To Kill by Michael Asher, he describes his own P company in 1971. There is an event I have never heard of called the Ammo Resupply Race, in which each recruit had a frame strapped to his back, with 3 or 4 cannisters filled with sand to replicate some shells they are to resupply for an anti tank gun, and made to run a distance over the Aldershot training area. I dont remember the distance or the weight of the frames though.

He also mentions that he missed the Log Race due to an interview with his Depot 2ic about going for a commission. They tell him he has passed P Company, and let him off the event.
Just reading that part. He says on the pack frame were six mortar bomb cylinders filled with sand, which weighed 100 pounds all up. He had to reach an RV in long valley five miles way over the tank tracks in forty minutes. He clambered through deep marches up to his calves and through torn bushes with 100 pounds on his back. When he gets to the RV, he is told that the truck has broken down, he has only completed half of the race and the hardest is yet to come.

I have never heard of this before. I am sure it would have featured in a lot of old Paras war stories if it had been a regular event on P Company. He does not mention the stretcher race at all.

I am not a fan of the book. I think it was written more for the Guardian reader over playing an emphasis on the nasty violent aspect of military life.
 
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