Female Muslim medics disobey hygiene rules

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Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against their religion.

Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam.
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Universities and NHS trusts fear many more will refuse to co-operate with new Department of Health guidance, introduced this month, which stipulates that all doctors must be "bare below the elbow".

The measure is deemed necessary to stop the spread of infections such as MRSA and Clostridium difficile, which have killed hundreds.

Minutes of a clinical academics' meeting at Liverpool University revealed that female Muslim students at Alder Hey children's hospital had objected to rolling up their sleeves to wear gowns.

Similar concerns have been raised at Leicester University. Minutes from a medical school committee said that "a number of Muslim females had difficulty in complying with the procedures to roll up sleeves to the elbow for appropriate handwashing".

Sheffield University also reported a case of a Muslim medic who refused to "scrub" as this left her forearms exposed.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...GAVCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nislam403.xml
 
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Just a simple change in roles they are allowed to do............ or would that be too simple?
 
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I must be missing something here,I thought I knew just about every sexual fetish imaginable.....but a muslim womans forearm is a new one on me 8O
Do muslim men go into a wanking frenzy at the sight of a hairy female arm?
I thought they liked little boys bums.....clearly I need to get out more :roll:
 
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Until very recently I worked in infection control in a large hospital serving a significant muslim population. The issue of muslim staff wearing long sleeves and using alcohol hand gel was not a problem as we spoke to the muslim clerics attached to the hospital (just as Christian priests are) who in turn spoke to their Mufti (equivalent to a bishop). His opinion was that there was no problem under islamic teaching with shorter sleeves to aid correct hand hygiene and no problem with alcohol hand gel as it is not absorbed into the body. The situation outlined in the Torygraph just requires a little communication and no one be dismissed.
 
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Jacques_Bustard said:
Until very recently I worked in infection control in a large hospital serving a significant muslim population. The issue of muslim staff wearing long sleeves and using alcohol hand gel was not a problem as we spoke to the muslim clerics attached to the hospital (just as Christian priests are) who in turn spoke to their Mufti (equivalent to a bishop). His opinion was that there was no problem under islamic teaching with shorter sleeves to aid correct hand hygiene and no problem with alcohol hand gel as it is not absorbed into the body. The situation outlined in the Torygraph just requires a little communication and no one be dismissed.
Now western infidel, dont go defending them. Muslims are evil zionists out to get us!
 
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callum13 said:
Jacques_Bustard said:
Until very recently I worked in infection control in a large hospital serving a significant muslim population. The issue of muslim staff wearing long sleeves and using alcohol hand gel was not a problem as we spoke to the muslim clerics attached to the hospital (just as Christian priests are) who in turn spoke to their Mufti (equivalent to a bishop). His opinion was that there was no problem under islamic teaching with shorter sleeves to aid correct hand hygiene and no problem with alcohol hand gel as it is not absorbed into the body. The situation outlined in the Torygraph just requires a little communication and no one be dismissed.
Now western infidel, dont go defending them. Muslims are evil zionists out to get us!

Doh
 
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Storm in a teacup.

Someone who actually knows what the Koran is on about should breif them up, if they still feel they can't wash, fcuk 'em off.

This isn't religious persecution, MRSA doesn't recognise religion, so whilst in most cases a bit of give and take can be applied in this case it is a simple yes or no on whether or not they can have the job or not.
 
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Not a problem, I refuse to be treated by muslim medics as my religion and culture does not allow me to be touched by those infected by islam.

But the Islamic Medical Association insisted that covering all the body in public, except the face and hands, was a basic tenet of Islam.

"No practising Muslim woman - doctor, medical student, nurse or patient - should be forced to bare her arms below the elbow," it said.
Ain't islam grand :roll:
 
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Strongbow said:
These people are often immigrants, and their ignorance of their own practices are down to their culture, not their religion. :cry:
er...."But the Islamic Medical Association insisted that covering all the body in public, except the face and hands, was a basic tenet of Islam.

"No practising Muslim woman - doctor, medical student, nurse or patient - should be forced to bare her arms below the elbow," it said."
 
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But the Islamic Medical Association insisted that covering all the body in public, except the face and hands, was a basic tenet of Islam.

"No practising Muslim woman - doctor, medical student, nurse or patient - should be forced to bare her arms below the elbow," it said.

Dr Majid Katme, the association spokesman, said: "Exposed arms can pick up germs and there is a lot of evidence to suggest skin is safer to the patient if covered. One idea might be to produce long, sterile, disposable gloves which go up to the elbows."
Several things spring to mind. The Islamic Medical Asso seem to be a fly by night operation hatched by some bored doctor on his pentium 3 in his bedroom.

http://www.islamicmedicine.org/

Look at the website. The ISA UK does not even have a bloody website. All it has is a badly written word document which seems to indicate that this is an association of approx 4 people in walsall, one of which is 'unwell' and doesn't practise medicine anymore.

http://www.islamicmedicine.org/imaUK.doc

A look on the Charity Commission website confirms my suspicions.

I am not sure why the Daily Telegraph decided to run with a quote from this association of approx 4, as they clearly are not representative of anyone except themselves.

But that said, the solution to his problem is simple - investigate feasibility of elbow length gloves which will be avaialbe for all to use. In the mean time, those doctors who do not comply will have to be suspended with no pay.
 
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No doubt if someone reads this and is going in for an operation, if they ask for 'no unwashed muslim women' in the operating theatre, they'd be branded as racist!!!!!

If there is direction that they have to scrub, let them all do it at the same time with no one else in the scrubs room. Quite certain that with their strict religious feelings, the sight of female bare elbows between a group of similiary attired female muslim nurses wouldnt reduce to a complete naked muslim elbow lesbo fest.
 
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Scabster_Mooch said:
I am not sure why the Daily Telegraph decided to run with a quote from this association of approx 4, as they clearly are not representative of anyone except themselves......
I'd guess it is because they are trying to outdo the Daily Mail in the number of heart attacks they can cause in Middle England.

My life was saved by an Indian Muslim surgeon, similar to many of my fellow countryman's. The Torygraph is simply hunting for outrage and have selected the medical equivalent of a rent-a-mob.
 
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I see your dirty Muslim hands and raise you this: At a First Aid training session in the BIA (Immigration!). "People" did not want to use alcohol wipes to clean the dummy after a CPR session!

We had to supply non -alcoholic wipes to appease the diversity freaks. When asked the difference the reply was "Simple the non alcoholic ones don't work!".
Is it too late for this country?
 
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I would think that any legal action that arises out of this from the death of one patient exposed to any of these students who have not maintained a sterile field would be far more grave in its outcome than any human rights issue that the student could come up with.

Does this guideline not come under a bonafide occupational requirement which would be exempt from any HR/ET interference except to determine if reasonable accommodation was used? However that asked, in most cases of a BFOR, accommodation is quite minimum. Last time I had a conversation with a muslim colleague, professional job requirements were exempt from persecution under Sharia laws/modesty issues.

Now at the risk of knocking women's equality back into the dark ages, could a gender specific scrub room not be the answer and afford the reasonable accomodation for the theatre dilemma for these students? How will they balance the competing needs of non-muslim women (who also come under the auspices of HR/ET) to maintain a gender invisible work environment? My, my who will they allow to trump the other in their offended rights?
 
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indigo said:
No doubt if someone reads this and is going in for an operation, if they ask for 'no unwashed muslim women' in the operating theatre, they'd be branded as racist!!!!!
You could demand that no unwashed medical staff attend to you and that would not be racist. I intend to do just that.
 

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