Feeding whilst training in barracks

#1
Can someone please shed some light on this:-

When training in one's own barracks over a weekend, what provision is there for feeding?

We have a kitchen and a couple of very talented chefs, but apparently the system does not allow the funds for them to provide meals.

What has to happen is that the individual soldier must buy their own breakfast, lunch and dinner, and claim it back. Each individual soldier must provide a separate receipt, although the receipt may contain more than one meal, provided it can be clearly identified.

Unless the soldier buys all his meals before the weekend, which will invariably end up being sandwiches, and there is no provision to store food in fridges; the only other option is to change out of uniform, go out to the local shops and buy a meal, return to barracks, change back, and resume training. What a waste of time.

A most helpful alternative offered by our G4 dept is simply to train elsewhere; however, since we have great facilities for certain types of weekend training why should we? That is an even bigger waste of time, fuel and wear and tear on vehicles, not to mention denying that training area from another unit.

There must be a solution whereby a soldier can train in in his own barracks and get fed without having to buy his own meals.

Any ideas? :)
 
#3
We've got another headache, which could also effect good old SC, as of July 1st we've been told that TA is going PAYD therefore you must have at least £15ish in with you if you want to eat at the w/e, at the RTC anyway, but is that only if you are at your duty station?

So RTC staff pay, recruits & course personnel don't, or is it everybody pays, therefore the recruits who have little or no cash will probably save it for alcohol rather than food, leading to a whole new set of problems, what about the recruits who haven't been paid to date? of course this wont happen cos JPA is pure dead brilliant.
 
#4
FFBox said:
We've got another headache, which could also effect good old SC, as of July 1st we've been told that TA is going PAYD therefore you must have at least £15ish in with you if you want to eat, at the RTC anyway, but is that only if you are at your duty station? so RTC staff pay & recruits don't, or is it everybody pays, therefor the recruits who have little or no cash would probably save it for alcohol rather than food, leading to a whole new set of problems, What about the recruits who haven't been paid to date? of course this wonthappen cos JPA is pure dead brilliant.

Could i put in a claim for malnourishment if i havent been paid and therefore can't afford to eat whilst training?
 
#5
try it, mind you it will be from you hospital bed after you've collapsed during the drill lessons!
 
#6
FFBox said:
We've got another headache, which could also effect good old SC, as of July 1st we've been told that TA is going PAYD therefore you must have at least £15ish in with you if you want to eat at the w/e, at the RTC anyway, but is that only if you are at your duty station?

So RTC staff pay, recruits & course personnel don't, or is it everybody pays, therefore the recruits who have little or no cash will probably save it for alcohol rather than food, leading to a whole new set of problems, what about the recruits who haven't been paid to date? of course this wont happen cos JPA is pure dead brilliant.
That's really going to work. I can see it know, turn up for the weekend, then let the boss know at 11am, "sorry boss, got to f**k off and cook my lunch" and again at 5pm......Really going to work.
 
#7
I don't know about on weekends, but the rest of the time TA Pers are treated just the same as a Reg that 'lives out'. This means that as you don't pay a food allowance, they don't provide food. I'm not totally sure where this leaves you with weekends though!

Also, I think it depends on how close you live to the unit now? I'm sure some one from the Special Pen Service can help out!

T C
 
#9
PAYD is a pain in the ARRSE, you have to turn up and pay for your scoff, beer and fuel under new JPA (toss). If you are a recruit then you should be issued with a PAYD card for the weekend, which is like a debit card so you get your scoff, swipe, and gollop it down. it shouldnt cost you a copper coin, beer will do later which you can no longer use out of your travel allowance because thier isnt one.
 
#10
As I understand it, if you're at your normal place of training, then you come under PAYD. This being the Regular to TA translation that you have the option to provide your own meals. If you train elsewhere, then PAYD doesn't apply.

Of course, it's a bag of the brown stuff for Specialist Units whose "local" place of training could be hundreds of miles from home.

Just another example of where the "One Army" concept falls down.
 
#16
I've said this before in a related thread but it must be cheaper to just feed TA personnel than to run an accounting system where some people get claims depending on whether they live nearby etc.

The simple "one Army" concept would be to say:

If you want to come in to eat it it's included in your pay deal. If you live in your own accommodation then either come in and eat the meal or fend for yourself. Any soldiers who live "out" who are so broke they can't afford a meal could just drop back in to the mess.

I'd also say that catering should be run at "location" level in the sense that say, Lichfield Depot would run it's own catering, a Bn location would run its own catering and messes, a detached TA platoon would run its own catering and mess.

I anticipate getting a load of flak for stating this but please think how it might work rather than how it wouldn't work.
 
#17
EX_STAB said:
I've said this before in a related thread but it must be cheaper to just feed TA personnel than to run an accounting system where some people get claims depending on whether they live nearby etc.

The simple "one Army" concept would be to say:

If you want to come in to eat it it's included in your pay deal. If you live in your own accommodation then either come in and eat the meal or fend for yourself. Any soldiers who live "out" who are so broke they can't afford a meal could just drop back in to the mess.

I'd also say that catering should be run at "location" level in the sense that say, Lichfield Depot would run it's own catering, a Bn location would run its own catering and messes, a detached TA platoon would run its own catering and mess.

I anticipate getting a load of flak for stating this but please think how it might work rather than how it wouldn't work.
Hasn't this been done before?
 
#18
You're not entitled to be fed from the public purse if you're training at your TA Centre. The Regular Army pays for its food. So does the TA.

If your Q wants to feed you then he can do so, but he should also raise food charges against you.

If you're not at your TA Centre, or Field Conditions are declared, then you can be fed from the public purse.

Put it another way:

If you're at work, you take a sandwich in, or go and buy one. You don't expect your firm to supply your lunch.

BUT if your employer sends you away for a course, he'll pay for legitimate expenses.

The last time I was at Grantham, I was chatting with some lads on course who were with a Specialist Unit based there. Because it's their Permanent Duty Station, they were paying food and accommodation charges. They only stopped paying when the unit actually went into the field for their FTX.
 
#19
Mr_Relaxed said:
You're not entitled to be fed from the public purse if you're training at your TA Centre. The Regular Army pays for its food. So does the TA.

If your Q wants to feed you then he can do so, but he should also raise food charges against you.

If you're not at your TA Centre, or Field Conditions are declared, then you can be fed from the public purse.

Put it another way:

If you're at work, you take a sandwich in, or go and buy one. You don't expect your firm to supply your lunch.

BUT if your employer sends you away for a course, he'll pay for legitimate expenses.

The last time I was at Grantham, I was chatting with some lads on course who were with a Specialist Unit based there. Because it's their Permanent Duty Station, they were paying food and accommodation charges. They only stopped paying when the unit actually went into the field for their FTX.
Well my firm charges 84p for lunch which is starter and main course including unlimited tea/coffee/squash and bread. Remind me again how much PAYD meals cost.. :roll:
 

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