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Discussion in 'Infantry' started by Styron, Dec 17, 2004.

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  1. FUTURE ARMY STRUCTURE


    Guards Division (5 Battalions)

    1st Battalion Grenadier Guards

    1st Battalion Coldstream Guards

    1st Battalion Scots Guards

    1st Battalion Irish Guards

    1st Battalion Welsh Guards


    The Scottish Division (5 Battalions)

    1st (Royal Scots and Kings Own Scottish Borderers) Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment

    2nd (Royal Highland Fusiliers) Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment

    3rd (Black Watch) Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment

    4th (Highlanders) Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment

    5th (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders) Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment


    The Queens Division (7 Battalions)

    1st Battalion The Princess of Wales’s Royal Regiment

    2nd Battalion The Princess of Wales’s Royal Regiment

    3rd Battalion The Princess of Wales’s Royal Regiment

    1st Battalion The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers

    2nd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers

    1st Battalion The Royal Anglian Regiment

    2nd Battalion The Royal Anglian Regiment


    The King’s Division (5 Battalions)

    1st Battalion Kings' Lancashire and Border Regiment

    2nd Battalion King's Lancashire and Borders Regiment

    1st Battalion Royal Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales’s)

    2nd Battalion Royal Yorkshire Regiment (Green Howards)

    3rd Battalion Royal Yorkshire Regiment (Duke of Wellington’s)


    The Prince of Wales Division (5 Battalions)

    1st Battalion Royal Mercian Regiment (Cheshires)

    2nd Battalion Royal Mercian Regiment (Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters)

    3rd Battalion Royal Mercian Regiment (Staffords)

    1st Battalion Royal Welsh (Welch Fusiliers)

    2nd Battalion Royal Welsh (Royal Regiment of Wales)


    The Light Division (5 Battalions)

    1st Battalion The Light Infantry

    2nd Battalion The Light Infantry

    3rd Battalion The Light Infantry

    1st Battalion Royal Green Jackets

    2nd Battalion Royal Green Jackets


    The Brigade of Gurkhas

    1st Battalion Royal Gurkha Rifles

    2nd Battalion Royal Gurkha Rifles


    The Parachute Regiment

    1st Battalion Air Assualt Rangers

    2nd Battalion The Parachute Regiment

    3rd Battalion The Parachute Regiment


    Royal Irish Regiment (1 Line Battalion and 4 Home Defence Battalions)

    1st Battalion Royal Irish Regiment


    Special Air Service (1 Regular Battalion)

    22 SAS Battalion


    The TA

    Each Infantry Battalion has one TA Regiment except for the Royal Scots who have two, the Gurkha's who do not have TA battalions and the Guards who only have one TA Battalion for the whole Brigade.

    There will be 14 TA Infantry Battalions under the review, down one from the current 15
     
  2. I wasn't aware that D Inf had released anything on this yet...what is your reference for this - or is it just a bit of logical thought?
     

  3. erm this would most probably be:

    The Scottish Division (5 Battalions)

    1st Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment (Royal Scots and Borderers)

    2nd Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment (Black Watch)

    3rd Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment (Royal Highland Fusiliers)

    4th Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders)

    5th Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment (Highlanders)

    6th Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment (Lowland Regiment) (TA)

    7th Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment (Highland Regiment) (TA)
     
  4. What is the rationale for the basis of the ordering of the Scottish battalions? Seniority of the present regiments in terms of the date when they attained their present form, ie ignoring the original regimental numbers and the seniority of antecedent regiments? Still working it out...

    A bit tough on the Highlanders if true.
     
  5. Oh, and werent we assured yesterday that the present Scottish regimental titles would come first in the new titles?

    After all the recent speculation and knowing that journos quite rightly take information from this site, I trust the first post in this thread has some reliable source. Journos, I would be cautious about this one until it can be confirmed.
     
  6. Think the initial post was personal conjecture.... in briefing notes from yesterday preferred titles were stated as

    The Royal Scots and Kings Own Scottish Borderers (1st Bn, RRS) (needs a longer title!!)
    The Royal Highland Fusiliers (2nd Bn RRS)
    The Black Watch (3rd Bn RRS)
    The Highlanders (4th Bn RRS)
    The Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders (5th Bn RRS)

    Also the Yorkshire Regiment will not be Royal... as none of the forming Regiments carried the title.
     
  7. Thanks pronto_minor, in that case WTF did the original poster think he was doing starting a new thread and posting total speculation without making that clear? (rhetorical question!) No doubt he will explain himself later, until then, my cautionary advice to any journos seems justified.
     
  8. Surely,

    FUTURE ARMY STRUCTURE

    Guards Division (5 Battalions)

    1st Battalion Grenadier Guards

    1st Battalion Coldstream Guards

    1st Battalion Scots Guards

    1st Battalion Irish Guards

    1st Battalion Welsh Guards

    Reserve Guards Battalion*
    The Scottish Division (5 Battalions)

    1st (Royal Scots and Kings Own Scottish Borderers) Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment

    2nd (Royal Highland Fusiliers) Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment

    3rd (Black Watch) Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment

    4th (Highlanders) Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment

    5th (Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders) Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment

    6th (Lowland) Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment (V)

    7th (Highland) Battalion Royal Scottish Regiment (V)

    The Queens Division (7 Battalions)

    1st Battalion The Princess of Wales’s Regiment*

    2nd Battalion The Princess of Wales’s Regiment*

    3rd Battalion The Princess of Wales’s Regiment (V)*

    1st Battalion The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers

    2nd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers

    3rd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (V)

    1st Battalion The Royal Anglian Regiment

    2nd Battalion The Royal Anglian Regiment

    3nd Battalion The Royal Anglian Regiment (V)

    The King’s Division (5 Battalions)

    1st Battalion Kings Lancashire and Borders Regiment

    2nd Battalion Kings Lancashire and Borders Regiment

    3rd Battalion Kings Lancashire and Borders Regiment (V)

    1st Battalion Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales’s)

    2nd Battalion Yorkshire Regiment (Green Howards)

    3rd Battalion Yorkshire Regiment (Duke of Wellington’s)

    4th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment (V)

    The Prince of Wales Division (5 Battalions)

    1st Battalion Mercian Regiment (Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters)

    2nd Battalion Mercian Regiment (Staffordshire)

    3rd Battalion Mercian Regiment (Cheshire)

    4th Battalion Mercian Regiment (V)

    1st Battalion Royal Welsh Regiment (Welch Fusiliers)

    2nd Battalion Royal Welsh Regiment (Regiment of Wales)

    3rd Battalion Royal Welsh Regiment (V)

    The Light Division (5 Battalions)

    1st Battalion The Light Infantry

    2nd Battalion The Light Infantry

    3rd Battalion The Light Infantry

    4th Battalion The Light Infantry

    1st Battalion Royal Green Jackets

    2nd Battalion Royal Green Jackets

    3rd Battalion Royal Green Jackets (V)

    The Brigade of Gurkhas

    1st Battalion Royal Gurkha Rifles

    2nd Battalion Royal Gurkha Rifles


    The Parachute Regiment (2 Battalions)

    2nd Battalion The Parachute Regiment

    3rd Battalion The Parachute Regiment


    The Rangers Unit (1 Battalion)

    1st Battalion Army Rangers*


    Royal Irish Regiment (1 Line Battalion, 1 TA and 3 Home Defence Battalions)

    1st Battalion Royal Irish Regiment

    2nd (HS) Battalion Royal Irish Regiment

    3rd (HS) Battalion Royal Irish Regiment

    4th (HS) Battalion Royal Irish Regiment

    5th Battalion Royal Irish Regiment (V)

    Special Air Service (1 Regular Battalion)

    21 SAS Regiment (Artist Rifles) (V)

    22 SAS Regiment

    23 SAS Regiment

    * Names TBC
     
  9. That's an (R) at the end of 21 and 23 btw not a (V) eg 21 SAS(A)(R) and 23 SAS(R)
     
  10. Precedance (sp?).

    1st Battalion = 1st Royal and 25th Foot
    2nd Battalion = 21st Fusiliers, 71st Light Infantry and 74th Foot
    3rd Battalion = 42nd Royal Highlanders and 73rd Foot
    4th Battalion = 72nd Highlanders, 75th and 78th Foot, 79th and 92nd Highlanders
    5th Battalion = 91st Foot and 93rd Highlanders

    So the new regiment bears 14 numbers (not as many as the PWRR will, I think)
     
  11. PWRR = 2nd Queens, 3rd Buffs, 31st, 35th, 37th, 49th Princess Charlotee of Wales's, 50th Queens Own, 57th Die Hards, 62nd, 66th, 67th Tigers, 70th, 77th Duke of Cambridges Own, 97th Earl of Ulsters Own, 99th Duke of Edinburgh's, and 107th Bengal Light Infantry

    16 Numbers
     
  12. The 19 regiments marching to a new future
    Daily Telegraph
    (Filed: 17/12/2004)

    The 26 infantry of the line regiments will become 12 under the changes. Those most affected are the 19 single-battalion regiments. These are the changes:


    The Royal Scots and The King's Own Scottish Borderers amalgamate into one battalion; The Royal Highland Fusiliers; The Black Watch (keeping their hackle); The Highlanders; and The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders become one single cap badge five-battalion regiment, the Royal Regiment of Scotland, but keep their names in front of the battalion title.

    The King's Division (all single-battalion regiments):

    The King's Own Royal Border Regiment; The King's Regiment; and The Queen's Lancashire Regiment become the two-battalion King's Lancashire and Border Regiment and lose individual titles.

    The Prince of Wales's Own Regiment of Yorkshire; The Green Howards; The Duke of Wellington's Regiment become three-battalion The Yorkshire Regiment but keep regimental titles after battalion title as 1st battalion The Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own), 2nd Battalion The Yorkshire Regiment (Green Howards) and Third Battalion the Yorkshire Regiment (Duke of Wellington's).

    The Prince of Wales's Division (all single-battalion regiments):

    The Devonshire and Dorset Regiment and Glosters elements of The Royal Gloucestershire, Berkshire, and Wiltshire Regiment absorbed into the Light Infantry to form three-battalion regiment. Berkshire and Wiltshire element of RGBW become part of The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment, which will now have three battalions.

    The Royal Welch Fusiliers and The Royal Regiment of Wales combine to form The Royal Welsh Regiment but keep names after title to be known respectively as 1st Battalion The Royal Welsh (The Royal Welch Fusiliers) and 2nd Battalion The Royal Welsh (The Royal Regiment of Wales).

    The Cheshire Regiment; The Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters Regiment; and The Staffordshire Regiment combine to form the three-battalion Mercian Regiment each keeping their names after battalion title as 1st battalion the Mercian Regiment (Cheshires), 2nd Battalion the Mercian Regiment (Worcesters and Foresters) and 3rd Battalion the Mercian Regiment (Staffords).

    The Queen's Division (all multi-battalion regiments):

    The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment had 2 battalions, but will now have three with addition of the Berkshire and Wiltshire elements of the RGBW.

    The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers stays 2 battalions.

    The Royal Anglian Regiment stays 2 battalions.

    The Light Division (all multi-battalion regiments):

    The Light Infantry had 2 battalions, but will now have three with addition of Devon & Dorsets and Glosters elements of RGBW.

    The Parachute Regiment allocates one of its three battalions as the core of a new special forces support regiment.

    The Royal Green Jackets stays 2 battalions.

    The Royal Irish Regiment stays at 4 battalions but two are home service battalions not infantry of the line.
     
  13. Many thanks Styron for correcting your original post, it did cause a bit of confusion :wink:
     
  14. From reading all thats been published by MoD and CGS I thought that the Berkshire (49th and 60th) and Wiltshire (62nd and 99th) elements of RGBW regiment were transferring to PWRR, but that it would stay at 2 battalions.

    The recruiting area, history and traditions of those elements would be added to PWRR. Incredible that it will only have 2 regular and 1 TA Bns from all of that, less than half that of the new RRS.

    Otherwise if you add up the totals above it comes to 37 Inf Bns, plus the Rangers.

    Afaik its going to be 5 Scots, 5 Kings, 5 PoW, 5 Light, 5 Guards, 2 Para, 1 Royal Irish (GS), 2 Ghurkha and 6 Queens = 36 Bns.
     
  15. That's what it seems to be projected, however I remember under " Options" the Infantry was to reduce to 38 Bn.'s but two were reprieved by the Common's Select Defence Committee. Hopefully history will repeat itself.
    Three question's though, first couldn't a better name than the " Mercian Regiment " be thought of ? In an earlier post I pointed out that the Prince of Wales was CinC of the Cheshires, the supplementary title of the Staffs is " Prince of Wales's " and they are all in the Prince of Wales's Div.. Secondly why no Wessex Regiment ? Both being subsumed into existing large regiments ( with no history of being close to either ). Finally is 1Para going to be more assault infantry or more like the WW2 Raiding Support Regiment ?
    Guess we all have to wait and see .