Farage’s big return

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A short conversation with 16 year olds provides many, many more reasons. Frankly I wouldn't trust most of them to give me directions to the nearest supermarket, never mind help choose the government of the country.

Some of them I wouldn't trust with a blunt spoon or to put trousers on correctly.
I see where you’re coming from, even from a private school there are want to be chavs who don’t care about anything but at the same time there are some people with a brilliant understanding of politics but I see where you’re coming from. I agree with the fact that people need to get life experience before making important decisions. At the same time you could argue the same about some of the older generations who have a rose tinted view of what life was like in the past and want that back but again it depends on who you speak to.
 
#45
The Brexit Party really is shaping up as a party for all, no right or left, but a broad church of views. How that looks post Brexit remains to be seen, but the actual thought of a party not tied down by “we are left/we are right” dogma really appeals.

Time will tell....
One thing’s for sure, just looking at the line up so far, no one can accuse them of being ‘Far Right’. Some people will try, though.
I’m sure it will be coincidental, but the Beeb News obviously believes the party isn’t worth mentioning!
ETA: Perhaps the news editors can’t understand how formerly left and right folk can co-exist, and are just plain confused -news editors, that is!
 
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#46
One thing’s for sure, just looking at the line up so far, no one can accuse them of being ‘Far Right’. Some people will try, though.
I’m sure it will be coincidental, but the Beeb News obviously believes the party isn’t worth mentioning!
The BBC, quelle surprise. Another “institution” no longer fit for purpose.
 
#47
I don't often hold with the "Hello Journo" responses to a new poster...…. but in this case, it is as obvious as a plank in the face.
 
#48
One; whatever it is that Theresa May is leader of isn't the Tory Party as I remember it from the 1980s.
I was in the Young Conservatives in the mid to late 80's, and Conservative Collegiate Forum from 89 to 92. Mrs Thatcher wasn't a Conservative. The vicar at her funeral basically described her as a Christian Socialist, and frankly I can't disagree. Work hard, improve yourself, raise a family as well as you can, be patriotic. That is why the left hate her so much - she nicked their voters. She shot their fox.

As a Thatcherite Conservative/ Christian Socialist I struggle to reconcile myself with the current "Conservative" Party.

The Conservative Party today, and the party under David Cameron, has more in common with the party of Harold Macmillan and Edward Heath, but without the patriotism, than it does with the party of Margaret Thatcher.
 
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A short conversation with 16 year olds provides many, many more reasons. Frankly I wouldn't trust most of them to give me directions to the nearest supermarket, never mind help choose the government of the country.

Some of them I wouldn't trust with a blunt spoon or to put trousers on correctly.
When the Sweaty's had their referendum, the day after the result was announced the R5L roving reporter was in Edinburgh doorstepping teenies on their way to school for the breakfast show. Reporter collars two sixteen year olds, a lad and a lass. I can't remember the verbatim exchange but it went something like this:-

BBC: "So, can you tell us what you think of the result?"

Girl immediately pipes up, cutting off the boy: "Well, I think it's a crying shame. We all want to be free of England really so they should have given it to the "yes" voters."

BBC: "But the majority of votes cast were for 'no'."

Boy: "Well, yes bu-"

Girl: "It's not fair. The youth want to be free from Westminster so they should have decided that 'yes' had it. It's so unfair."

No mention of the SNP plans to cede this mythical new-found independence immediately by applying to go back into the EU (with the pre-conditions of signing for Schengen and the € and so on).

Also no mention by the BBC wonk on just how democracy works.

But, nonetheless kiddiwinks, this is why you naive, politically illiterate gobshites do not have the vote.
 

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#50
What does everyone feel about the brexit party, will it take off or will it be a flop?
Just wondering what everyone’s thoughts are about this.
Hello Francis
 
#51
The duty twat has arrived en thread, I see.

Edited to add: when called out for being the duty twat it's probably best not to prove it by being a mong button-mashing twat.
 
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I was in the Young Conservatives in the mid to late 80's, and Conservative Collegiate Forum from 89 to 92. Mrs Thatcher wasn't a Conservative. The vicar at her funeral basically described her as a Christian Socialist, and frankly I can't disagree. Work hard, improve yourself, raise a family as well as you can, be patriotic. That is why the left hate her so much - she nicked their voters. She shot their fox.

As a Thatcherite Conservative/ Christian Socialist I struggle to reconcile myself with the current "Conservative" Party.

The Conservative Party today, and the party under David Cameron, has more in common with the party of Harold Macmillan and Edward Heath, but without the patriotism, than it does with the party of Margaret Thatcher.
The current Party is neo-liberal in every way possible except for the name & neo-liberalism is one of the worst political doctrines outside of the left/right extremes & possibly more damaging in the long term.
 
#53
Gravity. She adds gravity.

And Dianne Abbott adds gravy.
The fragrant Diane has a gravity all of her own. She's that dense she has the gravitational pull of a supermassive black hole.
 
#54
What does everyone feel about the brexit party, will it take off or will it be a flop?
Just wondering what everyone’s thoughts are about this.
Age profile looks good in the pic. Some of the candidates are the usual English nut jobs (Claire Fox and The Blessed Virgin Rees-Mong) but UKIP and the Tories are imploding and Change UK appear to have been infiltrated by candidates that UKIP rejected for excessive racism. They'll probably do well unless Brexit is declared before polling day. We can but hope.
 
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Does it matter? Does it affect you in some adverse manner?
Nope, it amuses me that there are so many whineathon threads full of impotent rage.
 
#56
I'm sure they'll do grandly on a grassroots level with NF at the helm - he is, after all, a pretty big draw for people. I can't however see them doing particularly well nationally. The modern Tory party has been pretty much dead on it's feet for the last X amount of years yet continues to soldier on, having the singular redeeming feature for most of middle England of NOT being the Labour party.



Think Nigel will get a seat this time round, though.
 
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The current Party is neo-liberal in every way possible except for the name & neo-liberalism is one of the worst political doctrines outside of the left/right extremes & possibly more damaging in the long term.
The problem with neo liberalism is the amount of state control they're prepared to tolerate, to be really free you need to role back the power of the state a lot more than they're prepared to
 
#60
The problem with neo liberalism is the amount of state control they're prepared to tolerate, to be really free you need to role back the power of the state a lot more than they're prepared to
And that's the lie behind the "liberal" façade; they're not liberal at all.
 
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