Far East Arms race kicking off?

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Maybe we could sell them all the spare kit we'll have after the defence review.
 
#3
Yay next they will need to expand and secure thier resources in the pacific! But they will need to do it with out the USA interfearing. If only they could somehow put the US Pacific Fleet out of action...
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
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#4
Japan should remember what happend the last time that they pissed off a nation that owned nukes.
 
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Japan should remember what happend the last time that they pissed off a nation that owned nukes.
Japan keep somewhere in excess of 45 tons of plutonium hanging around. Smart money is they could go nuclear within weeks if they went all banzai.


"We have plenty of plutonium in our nuclear power plants, so it's possible for us to produce 3,000 to 4,000 nuclear warheads."
Ichiro Ozawa - 2002
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
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#6
Oh good oh. Buckets of instant sunshine all round.

Which side will get their retaliation in early?
 
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The Chinese kicked off cos a Chinese Fishing boat was caught fishing illegally in waters disputed by China around the Diaoyu chain of islands. The Boat captain rammed a Japanese patrol boat whilst attempting to escape. The Chinese seem to think it's perfectly fine and the Japanese should just release him. The Japanese seem to think it's very naughtly and may charge said Captain and have currently followed their laws to the letter and are getting a little miffed that the Chinese are getting a tit on cos the Japanese will not release a crim.
 
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China 'moves drilling equipment' into disputed waters




Japan says China has shipped drilling equipment to a disputed gas field in the East China Sea, fuelling diplomatic tensions between the Asian giants.

China has previously refrained from unilateral drilling at Japan's request.

Both Beijing and Tokyo claim exploration rights over the area.

China scrapped scheduled talks with Japan over joint exploration of the field last week after Japan arrested the captain of a Chinese trawler near disputed islands in the East China Sea.

May see:

BBC
 
#9
My money's on the JSDF if thinks kicked off. Methinks the PLAN would have a short but rather exciting war.

[video=youtube;rsYvnBnDjN4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsYvnBnDjN4&feature=fvw[/video]
 
#10
Maybe we could them all the spare kit we'll have after the defence review.
There was talk of the Japanese being interested in the Eurofighter if they can't buy the F-22 (Which they can't as its not up for export)




As for a Far Eastern arms race, its a scary thought. India and China have been rapidly expanding and modernising their armed forces over the last decade or so. South Korea also has a pretty capable military and Japan has a lot of potential. Add to all that the multi-billion $ arms deals between the US and Taiwan.
 
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Still, isn't it nice that state-on-state industrial warfare is a thing of the past, and the future will only hold COIN-style ops in sandy places with no maritime component.

<Dons anti-flash>
 
#12
Who cares?
Britain long since gave up any serious interests in the far east so it is of little consequence to us if they decide to take a pop at each other.
It might be in our economic interests, we could supply arms to both sides....
 
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Still, isn't it nice that state-on-state industrial warfare is a thing of the past, and the future will only hold COIN-style ops in sandy places with no maritime component.

<Dons anti-flash>
Ssshhhh.
We'll have to start a whole new SDSR thread if the global threat changes......
 

seaweed

LE
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Are we not still signatories to an agreement in SE Asia regarding the defence of Malaysia and Singapore?
 

seaweed

LE
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FPDA, successor to what went on during Confrontation and in some ways to SEATO, thanks. Now get hold of a map or chart of the South China Sea and see who owns what bits. In fact get hold of Malaysian, Singaporean, Indon, Chinese, etc etc charts all the way round. You may find the odd rock differently delineated from one to another. Underneath and around that rock may be oil and gas and of course an offshore rock can extend one's territorial waters. The when China gets a bit assertive, and Malysia asks Oz for a bit of help, and Oz asks us for a leg up, there you go. Don't be too surprised in China tests the water a bit with fishing boats there, too. Then oil rigs.
 
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FPDA, successor to what went on during Confrontation and in some ways to SEATO, thanks. Now get hold of a map or chart of the South China Sea and see who owns what bits. In fact get hold of Malaysian, Singaporean, Indon, Chinese, etc etc charts all the way round. You may find the odd rock differently delineated from one to another. Underneath and around that rock may be oil and gas and of course an offshore rock can extend one's territorial waters. The when China gets a bit assertive, and Malysia asks Oz for a bit of help, and Oz asks us for a leg up, there you go. Don't be too surprised in China tests the water a bit with fishing boats there, too. Then oil rigs.
Ah yes, that up and coming tinderbox the Spratleys and Paracels.











Did someone say big aircraft carriers will have no utility in years to come?
 

seaweed

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
Thanks, Semper. To understand the situation fully one needs to understand the depth of water in some detail - means working this up on a much larger scale chart which I HOPE is on the wall in somebody's room in the FCO (obviously not practical for ARRSE posting). It's also important for understanding the practicability or otherwise of submarine operations. It is also of course all typhoon territory. Wonder what the bookies are offering on this.
 
#19
Thanks, Semper. To understand the situation fully one needs to understand the depth of water in some detail - means working this up on a much larger scale chart which I HOPE is on the wall in somebody's room in the FCO (obviously not practical for ARRSE posting). It's also important for understanding the practicability or otherwise of submarine operations. It is also of course all typhoon territory. Wonder what the bookies are offering on this.
Depths as requested…


Thin lines with numbers are water depth (m).
 
#20
The Chinese kicked off cos a Chinese Fishing boat was caught fishing illegally in waters disputed by China around the Diaoyu chain of islands. The Boat captain rammed a Japanese patrol boat whilst attempting to escape. The Chinese seem to think it's perfectly fine and the Japanese should just release him. The Japanese seem to think it's very naughtly and may charge said Captain and have currently followed their laws to the letter and are getting a little miffed that the Chinese are getting a tit on cos the Japanese will not release a crim.
According to a news report on this today, there is Video evidence of the Chinese ship's activity, including ramming the Japanese ship, although this has not been made public.
Also the Chinese do not "get" that a government might have to obey their national laws. In this case, there seems to be an implication that the Chinese captain is barking mad.
As to Japanese capability, it is classed as "first Rate", although not Offensive in design (that they leave to the US apparently).
 

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