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Fallschirmjager

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I heard of someone whose dad was a German Fallschirmjager (paratrooper) in Stalingrad in 1943.
Since these were meant to be "elite" troops, would I be correct in assuming that none of them would have been conscripted?
 

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#5
I heard of someone whose dad was a German Fallschirmjager (paratrooper) in Stalingrad in 1943.
Since these were meant to be "elite" troops, would I be correct in assuming that none of them would have been conscripted?
Why would being 'elite' mean non-conscript? Plenty of conscripts ended up in the RM and Army Commandos, Parachute Regt, etc, on our side, and I doubt it was different for the Huns. Could well be wrong, though, and I'm sure someone here can be bothered to google this (I can't).

But please, be careful of calling any group 'elite' - it is meaningless, and is a term usually only used by the press and the authors of cheap literature :)
 
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bokkatankie

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Plenty of conscripted British Para's why not FSJ also? Have you asked your freind? But the new FSJ is apparently GPMGSF, odd name for a stealy eyed dealer of death from above.
 

Nehustan

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#7
Well I didn't know that about Fallschirmjager. Talk about regimental history, always wondered why the German user name.
 

OldSnowy

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#8
Plenty of conscripted British Para's why not FSJ also? Have you asked your freind? But the new FSJ is apparently GPMGSF, odd name for a stealy eyed dealer of death from above.
If he jumped with a Tripod dangling beneath him, a GPMG on his back, and 600 rounds of link in his kit then my respect for him has doubled! It was bad enough running around Brecon with the ******* things, let alone having them dangling by your nads!
 

Nehustan

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#10
Conscripts in Parachute Regiment? I thought every paratrooper was a volunteer. Can someone confirm this?
The regiment was established after conscription, so conscripts volunteered for the Airborne Brigade (i.e. Gliders, Paratroops etc).
 
#11
The regiment was etsablished after conscription, so conscripts volunteered for the Airborne Brigade (i.e. Gliders, Paratroops etc).
Great book worth reading is:

Storming Eagles by James Lucas

A comprehensive account of German Airborne forces of World War Two. Compelling account of those men whose reputation for bravery was well founded.
 

Nehustan

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#12
Great book worth reading is:

Storming Eagles by James Lucas

A comprehensive account of German Airborne forces of World War Two. Compelling account of those men whose reputation for bravery was well founded.
May give Amazon a nose tomorrow as I could do with something to read other than anthropology books.
 
#13
Conscripts in Parachute Regiment? I thought every paratrooper was a volunteer. Can someone confirm this?
10th Battalion Royal Welch Fusiliers became 6th (RWF) Battalion the Parachute Regiment, lock stock and Regimental Mascot comlpete with the RWF Flash on their battledress. So yes to make up the numbers ALL regiments had conscripts in them.

4th & 6th Battalion became 1Para in 1948 in Germany.
 

AIRBORNEJOCK

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#14
I heard of someone whose dad was a German Fallschirmjager (paratrooper) in Stalingrad in 1943.
Since these were meant to be "elite" troops, would I be correct in assuming that none of them would have been conscripted?
Same as in the UK they were conscripted and volunteered for the paratroops and as above moved job lot then the undesireables RTU or if you read "heaven and hell war diary of a german paratrooper" you get selected while caught drinking beer on stag, as for being at stalingrad i dont think there was any parachute formations in the 6th army.
 

Pararegtom

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#15
I heard of someone whose dad was a German Fallschirmjager (paratrooper) in Stalingrad in 1943.
Since these were meant to be "elite" troops, would I be correct in assuming that none of them would have been conscripted?


Depot Para 1977, I passed out and one of the toms on that pass out parade ( well known kraut in the Bn and a fcuking good shoot) became a sniper in 2 Para down south, well his dad turned up in Fallschirmjager uniform with Iron cross first class, Stalingrad and Crete Ribbons looked the Dogs Blx, The reveiwing officer was Major General John Frost CB, DSO & Bar, MC, DL , fcuk it was a good day too get your Blue Lanyard. but back on thread His dad was a conscript hard as **** and seriously Airborne.
 
#17
10th Battalion Royal Welch Fusiliers became 6th (RWF) Battalion the Parachute Regiment, lock stock and Regimental Mascot comlpete with the RWF Flash on their battledress. So yes to make up the numbers ALL regiments had conscripts in them.

4th & 6th Battalion became 1Para in 1948 in Germany.
The first Brit parachute units were assembled in much the same way as were the Commandoes: Army-wide publicity, leading to hundreds of individuals volunteering, being put through a selection course, and the chosen men going on to soldier as Commandos/Parachutists. Individuals retained the cap-badge of their parent Regiment [ . . . the enduring power of the ReggieMental System? . . . . ]. Only later in the war were entire Battalions moved into Airborne roles.

The deal was that an entire Battalion would be 'pinged' for an airborne (parachute/glider) role.

In the latter part of WW2, Selection meant that the men would be paraded and asked if they wanted to volunteer. A small percentage would step forward and say 'thanks, but no thanks'. The remainder would then go through the process of parachute training.

Hence - as late as Sep 1944 - headstones at Arnhem for soldiers of " ==th Parachute Battalion (Bns made up of individual volunteers, still wearing original cap-badge at time of death) alongside "==th Bn The Parachute Regiment".

I know that at least one conscript Bn of Warwicks (I forget which one) turned into a Bn of the Parachute Regiment by this process - retaining their origin through an "in brackets" sub-title (==th [Royal Loamshire] Bn The Parachute Regiment), and I'm equally sure that a number of other capbadges had Bns similarly re-roled and re-badged.

Post-war, I guess the parent Regiments didn't make a big deal of it, because - as seen by the donor regiment - 'they were only conscripts, and we wouldn't get any kudos', while post-war survival of Para Regt depended on the rest of the Army believing (despite the evidence of the Arnhem and Rhine Crossing operations) that it was impossible for 'ordinary', conscript infantrymen to march, dig, and fight to extremes of which (supposedly) only carefully-selected volunteers are capable.
 
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The first Brit parachute units were assembled in much the same way as were the Commandoes: Army-wide publicity, leading to hundreds of individuals volunteering, being put through a selection course, and the chosen men going on to soldier as Commandos/Parachutists.
So did they do P Coy or were they Walts/Hats?
 
#19
I heard of someone whose dad was a German Fallschirmjager (paratrooper) in Stalingrad in 1943.
Since these were meant to be "elite" troops, would I be correct in assuming that none of them would have been conscripted?
An interesting story. Which unit was this Fallschirmjeager in? AFIK the German 6th Army did not include any Luftwaffe parachute troops. The Germans only had about a division of paratroops in 1942-3. They were an expensive asset which had lost heavily in Crete. In May-July 1942 German airborne troops were gettign ready to capture Malta. later they deployed to El Alemein and Tunisia. So they werentl available as a formation for deployment in Stalingrad.

In the early war years the Germans did not beleive in "elite" units. The elite troops Hiter wanted to send to Stalingrad were assault engineers familair with demolitions and flamethrowers.

Later in 1943-4 the Luftwaffe create armies of "paratroops" from surplus manpower in the Luftwaffe. Some of these were about as elite as British Parachute Regiment might be if surplus manpwer from the RAF could dress up and call themselves paras.
 
#20
Not heard of FJ at Stalingrad. However, there could be a mix-up with the 100. Jaeger-Division, who were at Stalingrad, but who weren't FJ.
 

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