Falklands War & HMS Invincible

#1
Whilst stuck on the plane this morning I had the time to read in full for once the Straits Times and encountered an article on "Asia's arms race goes underwater" by William Choong, a correspondent based out of Canberra (email wills.choong@gmail.com). The subject matter was the increase in the procurement of submarines in Asia and to demonstrate the value of a submarine the correspondent made the following statement:

"During the 1982 Falklands War, an Argentinian submarine struck the British aircraft carrier HMS Invincible. Although the Invincible survived the attack, the event could have changed the outcome of the war."

Now I recall from earlier discussion that the issue of Invincible being hit by the Argentinian airforce was successfully debunked. However, I've never heard of a submarine attack that resulted in an actual hit on the ship. Does anybody know differently or is this particular correspondent talking b0llocks?

lancslad
 
#2
Mr_Deputy said:
lancslad said:
Whilst stuck on the plane this morning I had the time to read in full for once the Straits Times and encountered an article on "Asia's arms race goes underwater" by William Choong, a correspondent based out of Canberra (email wills.choong@gmail.com). The subject matter was the increase in the procurement of submarines in Asia and to demonstrate the value of a submarine the correspondent made the following statement:

"During the 1982 Falklands War, an Argentinian submarine struck the British aircraft carrier HMS Invincible. Although the Invincible survived the attack, the event could have changed the outcome of the war."

Now I recall from earlier discussion that the issue of Invincible being hit by the Argentinian airforce was successfully debunked. However, I've never heard of a submarine attack that resulted in an actual hit on the ship. Does anybody know differently or is this particular correspondent talking b0llocks?

lancslad

You Singapore Airlines pilots - you never do any bliiddy work do ya? If you have nowt to do in the cockpit read the instruction book or flight plan.
Nowt to do :? There were cute chinese stewardesses in need of TLC :D Remember - "it's a great way to fly" ;-)

But back to the thread :D

lancslad
 
#3
Since plenty of witnesses turned up to say that they hadn't noticed any bloody big holes in Invincible whilst they were aboard at the time, I'd say that the submarine story is about as credible as the airstrike story.
 
#4
Even the Argentine sub skipper hasn't made such a claim.

NTM
 
#5
The press were on Invincible weren't they?

Hardly likely that story would have gone amiss.

I'd read the Beano (or Daily Sport) its got more fact in it.
 
#6
Oh ffs, more theories about the Invince in the Falklands.

Where's my maritime expert throbber Arandale when I need him???
 
#7
The Argentine Navy (Surface that is) didn't leave port, once we had sent the ARA General Belgrano to the sea bed.

I also rather fancy HMS Swift(?) would have dealt with any submarines trying to leave Argentina.

Also HMS Onyx, HMS Conqueror and, not forgetting, the DD and FFs. The Andy would hardly let a Submarine go pootling around.

They had only 3 Submarines at the time. By tradition, Argentine submarines bear the names of provinces whose names begin with the letter "S", thus, the pool of names is limited to only six ("Santa Fe", "Salta", "Santiago del Estero", "San Luis", "San Juan" and "Santa Cruz") resulting in repeated class names.

Santa Fe (3rd use of Santa Fe for a class) class (US-built Guppy class)

ARA Santa Fe, S-21, formerly USS Catfish. Commissioned in 1972, 1982 sunk during the Falklands War (at SG I think, by a Wasp heli).

Salta Class (German-built Type 209)

ARA Salta, S-31, commisioned 1974
ARA San Luis, S-32, commisioned 1974, moth balled in 1997 after incomplete overhaul (due to budgets).

The Salta and Santa Fe classes were both Diesal/Electrics.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_San_Luis
The ARA San Luis (S-32) is a Type 209 diesel-powered submarine of the Argentine Navy....

San Luis is most famous for serving in the Falklands War between Argentina and the United Kingdom over the Falkland Islands. Only one other submarine, the old Second World War era ARA Santa Fe was also operational at this time. After the Santa Fe was captured and scuttled by the British in South Georgia on April 28, and the nuclear submarine HMS Conqueror had sunk the ARA General Belgrano on May 2, the Argentine fleet retired to port for the duration of the war, with the exception of the San Luis, making her the only Argentine naval presence facing the British fleet. The presence of the San Luis was worrying for the British as she was relatively modern and difficult to detect.

San Luis reported two attacks on Royal Navy ships during the war. On May 1, the ships HMS Brilliant and Yarmouth were sent to hunt down the San Luis operating north of Port Stanley. San Luis reported firing one German-made SST-4 torpedo at the ship which subsequently missed.

San Luis attacked again on the night of May 10. Alacrity had made passage up the Falkland Sound, sinking an Argentine merchant navy ship on the way. As Alacrity left the channel before dawn, its sister ship Arrow was waiting to escort her back to the Task Force. San Luis detected the two ships and fired two SST-4 torpedoes upon them. But the first torpedo didn't leave its tube and the second one was fooled by the Arrow's torpedo decoy.


San Luis returned to its base on May 17 and did nothing during the rest of the war.

On 1985, San Luis was intended to be equipped with a small nuclear reactor but the program was abandoned and the ship was put in the reserve since then.
My bold and red.

HMS Invincible sailed on the 5th April, San Luis and Santa Fe had 42 and 23 days apiece open to damage her. Nothing has come out from the Argentine captains of these ships.

ARA Salta was not operational at the time.
 
#8
Thanks c_f - I suspected the journalist was talking b0llocks when I read the article. My own reference material flagged the Sante Fe but I wasn't aware of the other Argie subs so that item of information is very helpful. If only he'd referred to Conqueror sinking the Belgrano as his illustrative example of the potential impact of a submarine :D

lancslad
 

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