Falklands...20 Years On...Could we do it again

Discussion in 'The Intelligence Cell' started by MancRed, Apr 5, 2002.

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  1. I have only been on this site for a couple of weeks and I enjoy the Banter and Good Humour

    And by the comments and topics   there is a broad band of
    opinion, experience and knowledge

    What distresses me is a "softening" in values

    many topics  Beat CDT,  Sickies,  Jamie Bulger and Views on Tradition  and the Sgts Mess  open up a new series of  "values"

    Do not get me wrong I believe in EO, Discrimination of whatever ilk

    But  is it the  New Playstation generation and their lack of "our" values or "different" values to  ours
    Are they really softer, weaker than us ??

    Or are we the "Old and Bold" getting Tired ,weary and fed up
    Losing Interest ???

    I ask because all the old ethos of work and play hard,
    a slap on the tank park, extras
    the weaponry of the Troop Sgt have gone it is a softly,softly approach no more threats
    It is perceived as bullying
    the only way is to warn for orders
    which is no longer straight forward
    generally if charged you were Guilty, take the Extras
    put it down to life experience

    Passing your BFT and CFT was mandatory
    many a CFT was spent trying to beat the previous time
    In recent weeks I have witnessed people dropping out at both the first and seventh mile points
    with no real injury, " a lack of moral fibre"
    or is this me,

    An Interesting topic I'm sure there will be many views.

    Back to my Question
    Are we in a position today to go and fight a Falklands scenario, not counting Ops/tours but as a machine ???
    or are all wars now to be blanket bomb  Mop up after ???
  2. sorry youve lost me, and by the look of how many replies youve had, everyone else too :roll:
  3. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    Not sure either but I'll follow the original title Q. Could we fight the falklands now and say... erm,

    Yes probably even with this government but politics aside it would be a interesting question for our friends in blue if they could get us down there in one piece, after all, do we have an ACC servicable, or in fact a sub to keep that nasty Belgrano chap of our backs?

    What would we fly with 21 refueling missions from UK to bomb Stanley runway? A Cessna? Or do we keep a Vulcan at Duxford?

    Rapier 2 I believe is an excellent weapon on paper so about as much good as Rapier 1 with it's missiles on Ascension so nothing lost there.

    I guess the new Apache and GR7 kit would make a massive difference as long as we didn't stick everything on one freighter this time. Of course can't say what the Argies have been buying but HVM would be jolly dissipointing for the flyboys...
  4. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    Answer no. 2

    As long as the Argies also bought the SA80 too - no worries!
  5. i did the falklands in 1990, i dare say i could do that again :twisted:
  6. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

  7. The Army is going to the dogs - I know cos my father told me.

    My father knew cos his father told him, and he was fairly certain cos his father told him, so it must be true.
  8. Mr H,
    Obviously, no Vulcans for long range strike anymore (I wonder how we'd be using them now had we put new radars and a few JDAM/CALCMs inside!). However, the RN have the more flexible TLAM, and we have Stormshadow (the Harrier can carry it...just!).

    Most importantly (although maybe I'm a bit biased!) we have a massively improved ISTAR capability with AWACS, Nimrod R1 (yes I know we had it in 82, but it's a far more capable beast now), and (soon) Sentinel (aka ASTOR) assuming that we stuck an AAR probe on it smartish!!

    I suggest that the biggest problem would be maritime transport to get you guys there. The Merchant Navy is a shadow of 82.
  9. Yep I agree with that , the Merchant Navy is a shadow of its former self and more importantly the RN is in not much better shape, even with the Albion and Bulwark having just joined the Fleet.
  10. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    That'll be HMS Bulwark the replacement for the old Bulwark, the 'converted commando carrier' that got scrapped in April 1981 on account that the commandos tried to burn her. I bet they regretted that and the 30+ choppers it could have taken with it to Ascension 12 months later.

    I hope the chaps are more careful with the new ones.


    The interesting thing is that the old Commando Carriers were big bastards, basically converted aircraft carriers - these things.... seem a little smaller. Are we really sure they are going to do anything?

  11. Given that the sea harrier is to be scrapped leaving a capability gap of several years the simple answer is no
  12. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    So they are replacing the Sea Harrier with the See No Harrier! :D :D
  13. and of course theres the weather, who wants to get all cold and wet when sand and heat is in fashion?
  14. last thing i heard about the argentian force is their navy a pile of scrap because they cant buy rolls royce spare parts for their engines so who
    would invade ?chile ? to get back at us for the pinochet fiasco and upset the argies who they cant stand
  15. The new Bulwark and Albion aren't "commando carriers" or replacements for old Bulwark, though they do indeed carry commandos. They are LPDs (aka Assault Ships) and replace Fearless and Intrepid. HMS Ocean is much more similar to the commando carriers.