FAILING SCLM 3 TIMES IN A ROW

#1
Settle an argument would you. I say he'll stay a Sgt, others say he won't. I know a guy who's been binned off his SCLM FCC 3 times in a row. What'll happen to him now? Does he keep his 3rd or what? (First time he binned was for admin, 2nd and 3rd, he jacked the CFT)
 
#2
Edit: Must learn to read without beer goggles.

If he can't be arrsed then why should we carry him? If he is a good tradesman/woman then at least he'd try. BCFT is basic, is this not something his unit should have dealt with before sending him on the course?

I'd say that he is not fit for promotion due to not being able to pass his MATTs (or whatever they're called now). Is this wrong?
 
#3
accidentalscaley said:
Settle an argument would you. I say he'll stay a Sgt, others say he won't. I know a guy who's been binned off his SCLM FCC 3 times in a row. What'll happen to him now? Does he keep his 3rd or what? (First time he binned was for admin, 2nd and 3rd, he jacked the CFT)
Apart from being a spineless cnut, the letter of the law says he 'SHOULD' be reverted back to substantive rank.
 
#4
accidentalscaley,

It's actually you you're talking about isn't it?

Revert back to substantive rank and that is that.

As heidtheba says the Unit should have captured this and dealt with it. The CFT is a mandatory test and if failed should see him wind his way up in front of his MO being downgraded. He may at some point in the future get to do the Downgraders CLM.

Jimima
 
#5
Jimima_Shark said:
accidentalscaley,

It's actually you you're talking about isn't it?

Revert back to substantive rank and that is that.

As heidtheba says the Unit should have captured this and dealt with it. The CFT is a mandatory test and if failed should see him wind his way up in front of his MO being downgraded. He may at some point in the future get to do the Downgraders CLM.

Jimima
As a full screw hopefully :roll:
 
#6
heidtheba said:
Jimima_Shark said:
accidentalscaley,

It's actually you you're talking about isn't it?

Revert back to substantive rank and that is that.

As heidtheba says the Unit should have captured this and dealt with it. The CFT is a mandatory test and if failed should see him wind his way up in front of his MO being downgraded. He may at some point in the future get to do the Downgraders CLM.

Jimima
As a full screw hopefully :roll:
For the uneducated what does the Downgraders CLM consist of as a lot of us only remember detties and staffies. (Shudders and rabbit wood)

HH
 
#7
hairyhandbag said:
For the uneducated what does the Downgraders CLM consist of as a lot of us only remember detties and staffies. (Shudders and rabbit wood)
As I understand it, you do the 'management' side of the CLM but not the exercise or PT (as it's for cripples). From what I've been told however, you will never get your Staffy if you do the cripple's CLM, you have to do the full one to get SSgt.

If you do the cripple's CLM and then get upgraded again to FE, you have to go back and do the exercise phase.

(this is all from what I've been told by my unit when I was trying to get on last year's).
 
#8
Once - unfortunate/unlucky/not his best.

Second - over trained/over confident/not improved.

Third - Why is he on his third/ wasn't twice enough/ who is this loser who cant take a hint.
 
#9
I can quote from the new CLM handbook, but essentially substantive rank is achieved when Part 1 (A&S) CLM is completed ideally prior to taking up the post or within 1 year of assuming it (variations permitted for service reasons).

"Where an NCO has failed to complete the critical elements within this timeframe, the soldier isto revert to the sustantive rank of corporal and, if necessary, be removed fromt he appointment until completion."

How many attempts you get at the course is up to the individual cap badge.
 
#14
3 failures, twice for jacking on a CFT?

Fcuk me, how the times have changed. How the fcuk did a useless cnut like this get picked up in the first place? I (as those who know me) was never a racing snake, but I never had the slightest problem with a CFT....but.....if I did, I'd fcuking well get myself up to standard before going on a promotion course.

Bring back the Staffies course. Blokes course that was....
 
#15
I recall hearing from the last CLM which was run that there was roughly a 50% pass rate on the CFT on Day 1. I'm heading onto it shortly, and although I can already do a CFT comfortably I'm still putting more training in to improve. Makes you wonder what units are thinking when they send unfit soldiers on such a course.
 
#16
Anyone failing a CFT (unless they have a valid medical reason) needs to put in for some fecking mirror time, bloody wage thief.
 
#17
The CLM for downgraded soldiers. Or non FE. Well the course content is practically the same as the FE CLM.
The only difference is:there is NO pt.
It has been thoroughly thought out by the powers that be as to what the non FE soldier can and cant do. So as not to discriminate.
They still deploy out on the Exercise phase and carry kit and eqpt,(Injury dependant) if they cannot carry it then it is brought out for them.
Those of us that remember the old corporals / sergeants course will be chomping at the bit, however soldiers do and will get injured in the course of there career, so the corps has had to design a course so that those who are non FE can still be promoted. You can still be promoted past Ssgt.

If anyone would like more clarification on this then feel free to PM me.

I do have first hand experience on this subject as i was on the pilot Non FE SNCO CLM run last September.

I will now don my helmet and await the incoming!!!!
 
#18
maybe 50% pass on day one CFT is due to the ammount of ex 216/264 staff running these courses, and ragging the fuuck out of people on the CFT? You have 2hrs.....Maybe they are pushing them to do a 1hr30? 1hr 40? THUS INJURING PEOPLE AND OR MAKING THEM FAIL.. Just a thought....
 
#19
civi-in-green said:
maybe 50% pass on day one CFT is due to the ammount of ex 216/264 staff running these courses, and ragging the fuuck out of people on the CFT? You have 2hrs.....Maybe they are pushing them to do a 1hr30? 1hr 40? THUS INJURING PEOPLE AND OR MAKING THEM FAIL.. Just a thought....
Or maybe the standard of personnel attending the forementioned course is absolutely diabolical?

Don't blame the course DS based purely on the colour of their lids, look closer to home maybe, in particular, the standard of general fitness in the wider corps - or lack of.

If you cannot pass an 8 miler in 2 hrs or even get to the finish line in 1hr 40 without turning all weepy and giving it "my fanny hurts" then you should be in the TA..........................or are you already?
 
#20
There could be an element of that. The Staffies I did was run the right way. It was built up from Day 1 towards the final exercise. You were pushed from the start, but it was designed in a way to get you forwards. And it worked. I had 4 days notice of attending (I was instructing at 8, so was across the road) and knocked over a minute off my BFT by week 4.

My Detties however was a complete bag of sh1te, the DS ( a certain craggy faced Welshman who went on to star in a Sun article) and his cohorts ragged the fcuk out of us from day one and completely failed to acheive their aim.
Loved my Staffies and detested my Detties.
Back to the point, which has nothing to do with non FE soldiers, if a SNCO (des) comes on a promotion course three times and jacks on a CFT then he does NOT deserve to have three tapes on his arm.
 

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