Failed Coup in Turkey: 15/07/2016

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  1. Turkey certainly cashed in big-time on that one.

    They received a shed load of money...the EU promised Ankara €6bn (£4.7bn) to help the estimated 2.7 million Syrians in Turkey. Eased visa restrictions on Turks. For each Syrian returned to Turkey, Europe promised to accept another Syrian living in a Turkish camp.
    (basically a swop.)
    EU pays €3bn to Turkey in exchange for help on refugee crisis

    They received.
    EU grants 348 million euros in aid for Syrian refugees in Turkey

    Did it work.
    The Paradox of the EU-Turkey Refugee Deal

    You bet there were economic benefits!!!

    And they are still cozying up to Russia and China. Why not. Money for old rope.
     
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  2. I wonder sometimes if it would not have been cheaper to have given each of the 2.7m Syrians a million Euros each (man,woman and child). I am sure a number of countries would have like to resettle millionaires with money to burn.
     
  3. There are about 3.3 million Syrian refugees in Turkey these days. Most are settled, most are in no hurry to return to an uncertain future in Syria (al Assad has made some pretty lurid threats), and most are not heading to Europe. Most are being integrated into Turkey at Turkey's expense (and at some political risk by Erdoğan).

    Most irregular migrants caught trying to cross the roadthe Aegean these days are Iranians, Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Burmese or Philippinos. Numbers are at least 90% down on the crises of 2015/16.

    That is down to DGMM, Turkish coast guard and police. Visa restrictions have not been eased and i feel for Turkish business people who are fleeced by UKVI for a pretty poor service.
     
  4. When Canada took in a large number of Syrian refugees from Turkish, Lebanese, and Jordanian refugee camps a couple of years ago, special efforts had to be made to separate the genuine Syrians from the fakes. A very significant proportion were as you said from points further east or south but were representing themselves as being Syrians in order try to get entry to elsewhere. A lot of Canadian diplomats spent their Christmas questioning supposed Syrian refugees and finding that they lacked even basic knowledge of Syria.
     
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  5. @terminal, do you know what happened to the dirty, lying, cheating, impostors?!
     
  6. No, other than that they didn't get a free ride to Canada. It wasn't up to Canada to make any decisions beyond who we would take.

    We took in close 50,000 genuine Syrian refugees though and there have been very few if any problems with them. It's generally viewed as a very successful operation. Much of that may be down to not taking any single men.

    However, that pales to insignificance compared to the scale of the problem that Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan are dealing with.
     
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  7. I should point out by the way that a lot of the genuine refugees are not in official refugee camps. Many people reside outside them and so are not pre-screened by international refugee organisations.

    This is why so many economic migrants from elsewhere are able to claim to be Syrian refugees and why it is necessary to screen them before accepting them to go elsewhere.

    It also helps in that respect to not accept single men, as many of the economic migrants from places other than Syria are of course single men.
     
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  8. Isn't that Single Menist?
     
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  9. A problem is that we do feel sorry for those uprooted by the civil wars and chaos going on in these Middle East but tend to overlook the fact that they are historically, culturally, and, religiously, pretty violent corrupt and brutal people fighting amongst themselves. Certainly Turkey was not completely blameless in the ISIS situation in the early stages.

    Yes there are some very cultured educated and peaceful people amongst them, sadly a minority. In the first waves of Merkel’s invitees there were a conspicuous majority of fit young single men, and some of the ‘children’... weren’t. There were also huge and indigestible numbers that were going to create assimilation problems for the countries they were getting to.

    What is a ‘genuine’ refugee. They are refugees whether fleeing conflict...or poverty. Life is neither ‘fair’ nor easy. Aid and sanctuary is a very ennobling desire to help our fellow humans who are disadvantaged, a blessing when done efficiently humanely and to those in greatest need.

    But can also be an additional, unnecessary tax burden, an evil corrupting and socially destabilising force when not done well.
     
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  10. [​IMG]
    The trade in life jackets in Aksaray dried up over a year ago.
    I walked through there in late 2015, it was wall to wall orange, and spotted a tiny life vest that would have fitted little Aylan Kurdi to a T.
    It brought a lump to my throat.
     
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  11. US-Turkey relations continue to deteriorate. Turkey-U.S. relations remain tense, as Erdogan again demands cleric extradition
    Turkey has now said they will not extradite any suspects to the US if the US continues to refuse to extradite Gulen.
    Turkey also complained about US support for the PYD/YPG.
     
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  12. The more the deterioration, the bigger the elephant in the room (F-35) will they won’t they get it, grows.
     
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  13. Turkey have said they will "drown" the US backed Kurdish force in Syria.
    Turkey vows to 'drown' U.S.-backed Kurdish force in Syria
    Erdogan also warned US troops to not come between the Turkish army and Kurdish forces.
    Erdogan said that Turkish preparations for an assault on Afrin are complete, and that the operation could start at any moment.
     
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  14. There are a multitude of problems here - some of Turkey's making; some of the US. The Syrian/Turkish border is also the demarcation between COCOMS. Syria is CENTCOM; Turkey lies within EUCOM. When I was directly involved in Turkey, it was clear that EUCOM understood Turkey much, much more than CENTCOM, who regarded Turkey as another Iraq (or worse) Afghanistan, and thought they could run rough-shod over a nominally democratic & sovereign nation.

    Meanwhile Turkey was late into the fight in Syria; recall the images of Turkish soldiers atop Turkish AFVs having a NAAFI break as Kobane (not its real name, by the way - it's a corruption of (Rail) Company) burned in the background as YPG and Da'esh slogged it out. There is evidence they backed some pretty unsavory groups (though not Da'esh).

    There's not a lot to recommend the 'plucky' Syrian Kurds. There are many accounts of HR abuses and they have effectively displaced the Syrian Arab population of northern Syria (pre-2010, they accounted for only 7% of the population). Yes, they have displaced Da'esh but the worry is the continuum of YPG links with the thoroughly vile PKK who are proscribed in the US and across Europe as a terrorist organisation. The Met Police are very active in the UK in disrupting their support and fundraising activities.

    But Erdoğan thinks he can play both sides against the middle. He thinks he can be cleverer than the US (who, to be fair, have been particularly un-clever in Syria) and thinks that Russia will back him politically. But this is a huge miscalculation. Erdoğan doesn't listen to his seasoned diplomats and advisors in the MFA; he is surrounded now by a crowd of self-serving sycophants who tell him what he wants to hear. Turkey will suffer as a result and US actions will push the country further away from the West. Nobody wins.
     
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