F.A.S.

#1
come on then gents lets have it out.

what do you think of the corps now that a lot of F.A.S. has started to be implemented within the corps, are we any better off:?: :?: :?: :?:

we all knew that we were short of manpower within the corps BUT have our selection standards for personnel dropped so that we can get the numbers up :?: :?: :?: :?:

do you feel that we are still stretched & the the tours are still coming around with far too much regularity :?: :?: :?: :?:

the floor is yours, voice your opinions/concerns.
 
#2
To be honest I cannot really answer for what it is like now but when I got out 18 months ago the reason for a lot of people leaving was the standards dropping, especially when we had about 15 SATTs in our Squadron at one time without even knowing if they were good enough to pass trade training. They even offered the people who had signed off a bounty to sign back on because the numbers were shooting down rapidly of the L/Cpl's and above.

During Telic (1) the SATTs were not even allowed to go on tour and our Squadron was very stretched, I think out of my troop which was scaled for 26 only had 12.

I think with the ever increasing concerns and conflicts in the Middle East recruitment will be low so they will have to lower the standards to fill the numbers then because of the ever increasing recruitment problem blokes already in will become disgruntled and sign off.

What are your thoughts on it Knocker??
 
#3
I can't see why SATTs aren't allowed on tour. In the middle 90's when it was the norm the do a few years before doing your trade course you still went on tour to Bosnia or Northern Ireland. Why not now? SATTs are a bit of a pain in the arrse because they can't do much whilst waiting for their course. A lot of them can't drive, they've got no trade, they can't go on tour so all they can do is stag on, sweep hangers and be duty sapper. The SATTs then get threaders with be lumped with carp jobs and promptly signs off at the first oppertunity.
It's good that the new sqns are being formed. Ask anyone in 8 AES what it was like supporting a brigade with 2 armoured troops, 2 field sections and a support troop. That was a howlingly busy 3 months. As far as I know both 22 and 26 are getting another field squadron, 6 and 38 HQ Sqns are changing to HQ and Support Squadrons (although I don't know what the main difference is). Given whole fleet management etc I don't know what the guys are going to do from day to day.
26 got back from Iraq last November and they are off to Afghanistan in April 07. Hardly the 2 year gap between tours. They have guys in BATUS at the moment and a Sqn is deploying to Kenya in the next month. It doesn't appear that FAS is helping the commitment levels at the moment.
 
#4
plant_life said:
I can't see why SATTs aren't allowed on tour. In the middle 90's when it was the norm the do a few years before doing your trade course you still went on tour to Bosnia or Northern Ireland. Why not now? .
i did my first tour of the province in the 80's as a b3 knocker.
 
#5
Thought you were going to say the 70's then Knocker!! Back then however as stated before you went to your unit before going onto to trade training a couple of years later was it not?? If you did it at all that is.
 
#6
Ronnie8781 said:
Thought you were going to say the 70's then Knocker!! Back then however as stated before you went to your unit before going onto to trade training a couple of years later was it not?? If you did it at all that is.
i did 4+ years before i got my A2 sparks.
 
#8
I think it's a good thing to do a few years before going to Chatham to do your trade course. When I did my A2 Plantie course 10 out of the 15 of us had been at a normal unit. Of us 10 7 of us had been in 3 or 4 years. Less one guy (who was 27) there a difference between us 7 and the rest of the blokes on the course. Unfortunatly because the 8 of us weren't prepared to put up with the carp you normally get on your A2 we were labelled the attitude course! Now you get the guys on their A2 giving it loads of 'tude and they've been in 7 or 8 months and think they are the dogs busters!
 
#9
Ronnie8781 said:
To be honest I cannot really answer for what it is like now but when I got out 18 months ago the reason for a lot of people leaving was the standards dropping, especially when we had about 15 SATTs in our Squadron at one time without even knowing if they were good enough to pass trade training. They even offered the people who had signed off a bounty to sign back on because the numbers were shooting down rapidly of the L/Cpl's and above.

During Telic (1) the SATTs were not even allowed to go on tour and our Squadron was very stretched, I think out of my troop which was scaled for 26 only had 12.

I think with the ever increasing concerns and conflicts in the Middle East recruitment will be low so they will have to lower the standards to fill the numbers then because of the ever increasing recruitment problem blokes already in will become disgruntled and sign off.

What are your thoughts on it Knocker??
i would hope that the corps stops lowering its standards just to please the top brass with the numbers game.

as it only reflects poorly on the corps itself when these idots, who would have never got into the corps a few years ago, feck up as they always inevitably do.

enen though i will be leaving the corps sooner rather than later.

ONCE A CORPS MAN ALWAYS A CORPS MAN....HURRAH :D :D :D :D
 
#11
I can first hand tell you that standards have dropped. I am one of the feckers who has to put his name to the sh*t that is coming through. No matter how hard we try or what we do, the powers that be will always pass the crap through because once they are through, it doesn't matter to them as they have achieved there number quota.

AND, within the next couple of years there are rumours that there will be a 10 year experience gap in the trades because of the amount of cpl's and lcp's, or senior spr's ( no, 3 years is not senior!!!!!) who have signed off in the past couple of years, hence the high amount of 2 and 3 year lcpl's!!

I know it is a little of the subject knocker, but had a bad day and needed a rant
 
#12
plant_op_till_i_die said:
I can first hand tell you that standards have dropped. I am one of the feckers who has to put his name to the sh*t that is coming through. No matter how hard we try or what we do, the powers that be will always pass the crap through because once they are through, it doesn't matter to them as they have achieved there number quota.

AND, within the next couple of years there are rumours that there will be a 10 year experience gap in the trades because of the amount of cpl's and lcp's, or senior spr's ( no, 3 years is not senior!!!!!) who have signed off in the past couple of years, hence the high amount of 2 and 3 year lcpl's!!

I know it is a little of the subject knocker, but had a bad day and needed a rant
we all need a soapbox occassionally fella, let it out.

i feel sorry for the trg staff at gib & brompton because it is purely a sausage factory as i have been informed with no chance of sorting the wheat from the chaff. :x :x :x :x
 
#13
I'm at bassingbourn and it is even worse, at least at Gib they can get rid of people, without some grunt major giving them a million chances to pass a weapon handling test

anyway, what i sgoing on in Germany? Iam led to beleive that everyone in Osnabruck is moving back to blighty, Catterick i am lead to beleive. Any truth in the matter?
 
#14
plant_op_till_i_die said:
I'm at bassingbourn and it is even worse, at least at Gib they can get rid of people, without some grunt major giving them a million chances to pass a weapon handling test

anyway, what i sgoing on in Germany? Iam led to beleive that everyone in Osnabruck is moving back to blighty, Catterick i am lead to beleive. Any truth in the matter?
tis true
 
#15
Standards have dropped in life so it is inevitable they will drop in the military. Upstanding individuals are becoming fewer so it's unlikely all those will moral fibre will join the forces. Nearly 20 years ago a friend in 2 Para said the standards had dropped so drastically that he transferred. That was mid 80s.

If those at the top cannot set a decent example, and I mean politicians, then what hope is there for future generations? You just have to accept it.
 
#16
plant_op_till_i_die said:
anyway, what i sgoing on in Germany? Iam led to beleive that everyone in Osnabruck is moving back to blighty, Catterick i am lead to beleive. Any truth in the matter?
ripon i was led to believe.

sorry for not including intake trg establishmnets in my spiel.
 
#17
I have mates at Litchfield who say the same to me. They can't ditch anybody because of numbers. Even Gib is struggling to back-party guys who can't meet the standard. I've seen SATTs starting to struggle after 1/2 a mile into a tab when carrying 25lb! What a fcuking joke! The attitude of 'they will get sorted out at their unit' is a cop out from higher up. When the guys get to their unit they should be able to pass all their MATTs straight away, no problem. They shouldn't struggle on phys. The only thing which they should be lacking in is practical experiance. Unfortuantly the main thing lacking in some of them is integrity and a bit of common sense.
 
#18
Without wanting to be the voice of dissent, I have copied here in full what I posted on another thread, admittedly she is a medic, however I think it is pertinent to this discussion:

Go girl, well done.

Reminds me of a chat (after a few small ones) I was involved in the other night. The one that starts with:

“The youth of today”, “play station generation”, “In my day” etc, ect.

There are plenty of people on this site (me included) who give our young lads & girls a hard time. The “What’s wrong with subbies today“ thread is just 1 example. Maybe we should sometimes focus on the positives?

Yes the world has changed since I went through training, hasn’t it ever been the case, yes we take a perverse pleasure in the fact we had it harder in our day, as do our predecessors.

As is widely acknowledged, Iraq and Afghanistan are currently providing some of the most testing situations (on a large scale) the army has had to face in modern times. Despite the “rubbish” training regimes, despite the fact that they are supposedly chronically unfit and only play on their computers all day (kettle & pots) and despite them all being a bunch of “Chavs” Our young lads and girls are producing outstanding results on a daily basis.

Pte Norris is just 1 example (amongst dozens) of the fact that our young soldiers are not less able than in the past, they are just a different generation.

Once again very well done for your utter professionalism, selfless commitment and tremendous courage.

Unfortunately, I now await the scurrilous sneering and undermining of your actions, which happen far to often.



The RE, like other arms, are performing wherever they are required to go.
Thoughts from others. I welcome reasoned or rabid responses :wink:
 
#19
CAARPS

Agreed that in that case she did exceptionally well however I know it is a generalisation but that is one in maybe 15 that is of that calibre. I think that maybe 1 in 5 recruits is upto the standard of recruits a few years ago instead of maybe 4 out 5 then. It is not just them to blame however I think the Army play a big part in lowering their standards.
 

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