F-35 production question...

The spin is now that the F-35 would be unreliable due to a possible ‘kill switch’ or restrictions placed on it by the US, and as they would be directly ‘commanded’ by the US.

Plans BCDEF are already in place, by boosting local production of their own aircraft and then buying from Russia or China which is cheaper anyway.
Turkey considers Russian Su-57, Chinese J-31 jets to replace F-35s - Yeni Şafak | Ahval

Sounds like they have it sorted.
 
The spin is now that the F-35 would be unreliable due to a possible ‘kill switch’ or restrictions placed on it by the US, and as they would be directly ‘commanded’ by the US.

Plans BCDEF are already in place, by boosting local production of their own aircraft and then buying from Russia or China which is cheaper anyway.
Turkey considers Russian Su-57, Chinese J-31 jets to replace F-35s - Yeni Şafak | Ahval

Sounds like they have it sorted.
.........and Vlad gets his foot in another door.
 
Further steps have been taken as Turkish F-35 trainees have now been stopped.
Turkish F-35 pilots no longer flying at US base: Pentagon

Most will already know why the situation has been so critical. but here is a quick and simple version for the not so technical.

Maybe Erdogan should watch...or has already made his mind up on leaving NATO, getting cheap 4.5 Gen Russian or Chinese substitutes and getting their help for Turkey’s own TF-X project.

Problem is that both these alternatives have sub satisfactory power-plants, both those countries still behind in meeting their desired project objectives, and RR are not interested in donating all R&D to Turkey for free. But then Hell hath no fury like an ally scorned and rejection from the West/EU/ and even the threat of being ejected from the F-35 program has obviously bitten deep.


It will be a major setback to lose Turkey as a NATO partner and military ally, a huge gain to Russia, but there comes a time in every marriage when the balance of benefit and disadvantage tips too far and a parting of the ways becomes necessary.

The loss of sales to Turkey will have a big impact however recent orders from Japan, and Lockheed Martin's active procurement competitions in countries such as Switzerland and Finland. Poland and Greece who have have publicly expressed interest in buying the stealth fighter will make up for that. Romania and Spain are also prospective buyers stated Vice Admiral Mathias Winter, executive officer of the F-35 Joint Program Office before the House Armed Services Committee.
 
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I can see Turkey suspending NATO membership in the near future.
Presumably Erdogan has been promised a "nice little earner" by Putin...
 
Further steps have been taken as Turkish F-35 trainees have now been stopped.
Turkish F-35 pilots no longer flying at US base: Pentagon

Most will already know why the situation has been so critical. but here is a quick and simple version for the not so technical.

Maybe Erdogan should watch...or has already made his mind up on leaving NATO, getting cheap 4.5 Gen Russian or Chinese substitutes and getting their help for Turkey’s own TF-X project.

Problem is that both these alternatives have sub satisfactory power-plants, both those countries still behind in meeting their desired project objectives, and RR are not interested in donating all R&D to Turkey for free. But then Hell hath no fury like an ally scorned and rejection from the West/EU/ and even the threat of being ejected from the F-35 program has obviously bitten deep.


It will be a major setback to lose Turkey as a NATO partner and military ally, a huge gain to Russia, but there comes a time in every marriage when the balance of benefit and disadvantage tips too far and a parting of the ways becomes necessary.

The loss of sales to Turkey will have a big impact however recent orders from Japan, and Lockheed Martin's active procurement competitions in countries such as Switzerland and Finland. Poland and Greece who have have publicly expressed interest in buying the stealth fighter will make up for that. Romania and Spain are also prospective buyers stated Vice Admiral Mathias Winter, executive officer of the F-35 Joint Program Office before the House Armed Services Committee.

But if Turkey is a broke country, they might be more of a drag on the Russians. I would be hesitant to court an anchor. Russia can’t afford much good Will these days.
 
Anything that causes problems to the West is in Russia’s interest. If Turkey can be persuaded to take India’s place and fund SU-57 developmen it is going to be to Russia’s benefit. If Turkey finds them willing to help Turkey’s stealth fighter program happy Turkey.

How long the honeymoon will last is anybody’s guess, but they are two partners who truly deserve each other, why should anyone wish to stand in the way.

May their union be a long and happy one and Turkey prove as co-operative and as helpful to the Russian’s as they have to the West.
 
I can see Turkey suspending NATO membership in the near future.
Presumably Erdogan has been promised a "nice little earner" by Putin...
Which may cause some issues out in Afghanistan as they are the Lead Nation in Kabul Airport which no one else wants to take on.
 
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Michele Evans is vice president for aeronautics in Lockheed Martin whose portfolio features fifth-generation tactical aircraft, air mobility, unmanned, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance platforms, including the F-35, F-22, F-16, C-130; as well as Advanced Development Programs at Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works.

In a statement on June 13 she said that it was now likely that the Turkish eviction would not have too much of an effect on cost or schedule of the program in line with present Pentagon plans to “unwind” Turkey from the F-35 program by early 2020 should they insist on going ahead with the S-400 deal. At present she said Lockheed Martin will do as directed with the ongoing negotiations being Government to Government.

Ellen Lord, the undersecretary of defence for acquisition and sustainment has already acknowledged that Turkish companies produce 937 parts for the F-35, some 400 of which are made only by Turkey, but there are already alternative vendors most of whom are in the US.

Turkey continues to insist that the $2.5 billion S-400 purchase from Russia is non negotiable, but, at the same time that it wishes to go ahead with joint working group to alleviate any possible US security concerns.

Ankara's investment of around $1.25 billion into the F-35 program, as well as producing parts of the fuselage, landing gear, and cockpit displays for the jets country's role in developing the F-35 has made Turkey feel that it can still insist all 100 units be delivered.

Interesting recent news items.
The jet that costs a bomb, why F-35 can't be India's dogfight duke
F-35: 'Trump card' to get India, Turkey to drop Russian missile deal?

It seems Russia is not the only one to offer alternatives. Two can play that game.
 
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Turkey’s present stance on the matter would seem to leave the impression that they will continue with the S-400 buy and hope that Trump will give in on the F-35. Unfortunately it will probly not be up to Trump to allow this to happen.

They have unveiled their stealth fighter project in Paris but this has run into its own problems already. The expected co-operation with Roll Royce on the engine development has stalled over the Turkish stance towards Intellectual rights and critical technology transfers and RR are now limiting their participation. BAE was also due to assist with the TF-X but given what has happened with RR and their own involvement with Tempest could be viewing matters with caution.

Turkey may well react badly to an F-35 ban, the financial implications to Turkey’s industrial involvement in an F-35 ban will be significant but they would do well to restrain themselves. Negative actions by them could see further consequences from Congressional actions through CAATSA, and a number of ongoing Turkish military projects put at risk. This includes Turkey turning to the Russian for the Saturn engine Project 30 which Russia is working on for their SU-57.

CAATSA is wide ranging and includes sanctions:
Not to issue any specific license and not to grant any other specific permission or authority to export any goods or technology, sanctions by the Export-Import Bank of the United States.
Denying licenses to import U.S. goods or technology which is Under the Arms Export Control Act.
Prohibiting “any United States financial institution from making loans or providing credits to the sanctioned person.
Voting “against any loan from the international financial institutions,” “imposing procurement sanctions’'
Prohibiting “any transactions in foreign exchange that are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States."
Prohibiting “any financial transactions that are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.” “prohibiting property transactions.
Ban on investment in equity or debt of sanctioned person.
Denying a visa or exclusion of corporate officers,” “sanctioning on principal executive officers.”
CAATSA authorizes the U.S. President to impose the above sanctions, but the U.S. Congress has also authority to impose sanctions, including banning arms sales to Turkey.

Turkey was given ample time to consider the consequences of their Russian missile buy, and as the final stage is looming, it seems that they might just have miscalculated their importance to the project, the security implications their decision made to all the countries who are buying the F-35, along with the inventment that the allied consortium had made in relation to Turkey’s.
 
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