F-35 Lightning - The trainwreck that just keeps on giving

#1
No wonder they're pushing the ISD for CVF back!:eye:


Joint Strike Fighter

F-35 Replan Adds Time, Resources For Development Testing



Aviation Week & Space Technology Feb 07 , 2011 , p. 25
Graham Warwick
Washington

Amy Butler
Washington


Much development and most testing still lie ahead for F-35 program
Hurdles Ahead

Details of the revamped F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program are emerging and showing that, despite more than nine years of work, almost six years of challenging development and testing still lie ahead for the Lockheed Martin-led project.

Both flight testing and software development have been replanned using industry-standard productivity rates rather than the aggressive—and unachievable—assumptions on which the original program was built. This means many more sorties to refly flight-sciences test points and for regression testing of mission-system software changes.

The replan adds 2,000 flights to the program—for a total of 7,800, just 600 of which have been completed—and extends development testing to October 2016. In addition to more refly and regression flights, the new plan adds sorties for test-pilot training and builds in a 500-flight margin for unexpected flight-sciences and mission-system issues.





Early Warning on JSF Delays
Posted by Bill Sweetman at 2/7/2011 10:01 AM CST

This morning, Graham Warwick and Amy Butler's story on detailed changes to the F-35 flight test program goes live on the Check Six page.

Highlights: Development testing is not now due to be completed until October 2016, completion being marked by the end of testing on Block 3 software. The new program will include 7,800 flights, restoring the 2,000 test sorties that the JSF Program Office cut in 2007. See the full story for more detail.

In total, this represents a five-year delay since the program started.
To take a more recent benchmark: in September 2008, the schedule called for Block 3 development testing to be finished in mid-2013, five years away. Today, that milestone is more than five-and-a-half years off: in short, the JSF program has gone six to nine months backwards in just over two years.
 
#3
Doesn't affect us - we haven't ordered any. And probably never will


Main non, mon little french soupson. The F-35 is the sexy toy that will make CVF the mutts cajones and we're all gearing up for it with cats and traps now..

The more this F-35 fiasco drags on, the more convinced I am we should have ordered the F-18E/F
 
#5
It's probably BAESYSTEMS fault.............

Haven't we ordered a few F-35Cs'?
 
#6
Main non, mon little french soupson. The F-35 is the sexy toy that will make CVF the mutts cajones and we're all gearing up for it with cats and traps now..

The more this F-35 fiasco drags on, the more convinced I am we should have ordered the F-18E/F
That has been the logical conclusion for several years now.
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
I wonder what aircraft the Chinese are planning on putting on their carriers? I bet they'll be delivered on time and will be pretty cheap too. We could buy two CAG for the price of one. Mind you, they'd deliver them and then an hour later you'd want another one
 
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benjaminw1

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Main non, mon little french soupson. The F-35 is the sexy toy that will make CVF the mutts cajones and we're all gearing up for it with cats and traps now..

The more this F-35 fiasco drags on, the more convinced I am we should have ordered the F-18E/F
No mate got it wrong, should have bought rebuilt Seafires at about £1Mill a pop.
 
#9
I know there are huge arguments against buying Hornet on the grounds that its really only of use for FAA, RAF really dont need another Fast Jet type and FAA has neither man-power or facilities to have its own fast jet fleet....and I really dont want to start the Hornet v f35 argument all over again.

But really if CMD said...'NO!' later today....how much is there left in the f35 budget that hasnt already gone up against the wall and would that be enough to buy, run and maintain a credible number of f18's, pref with a few of the EW varients along? I suspect the cupboard is bare and so any such argument is just crying over spilt milk at this point.
 
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I know there are huge arguments against buying Hornet on the grounds that its really only of use for FAA, RAF really dont need another Fast Jet type and FAA has neither man-power or facilities to have its own fast jet fleet....and I really dont want to start the Hornet v f35 argument all over again.

But really if CMD said...'NO!' later today....how much is there left in the f35 budget that hasnt already gone up against the wall and would that be enough to buy, run and maintain a credible number of f18's, pref with a few of the EW varients along? I suspect the cupboard is bare and so any such argument is just crying over spilt milk at this point.
Didn't stop HMG cancelling Nimrod despite it already being bought and paid for.....
 
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I wonder what aircraft the Chinese are planning on putting on their carriers? I bet they'll be delivered on time and will be pretty cheap too. We could buy two CAG for the price of one. Mind you, they'd deliver them and then an hour later you'd want another one
Well it's easy for the Chinese, they'll either copy the F18/15 or rip off the latest Mig/SU, design development time is much shorter using this method.
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#12
Well it's easy for the Chinese, they'll either copy the F18/15 or rip off the latest Mig/SU, design development time is much shorter using this method.

So if the answer was FA18 all along and the Chinese can build them for half the price it sounds like a win all round. We could even swap them a carrier for a CAG - we don't want both and they'd kill (literally) for a modern carrier design. No money changes hands - win/win.
 
#13
the reason for the f35 was apprantly to have first day strike capability about as realistic as fres having the proctection and firepower of a challenger and being able to be underslung from a chinook or whatever the snakewater salesman was pushing.
 
#14
Wonder what the going price is for a Chengdu J15? (Su33 naval copy). Looks like the Chinese will have their first carrier finished by the end of 2012 and maybe a couple more big ones by 2020 - what's betting they have a new aircraft type by the time they are launched.

If the rest of Chinese industry is anything to go by you'll be able to buy copies straight from the factory off fleabay.
 
#15
Didn't stop HMG cancelling Nimrod despite it already being bought and paid for.....
The cost of buying Nimrods is a drop in the ocean compared to the through life costs of running a small number of very specialist aircraft

Right decision - finally. Should never have been the solution in the first place
 
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I know there are huge arguments against buying Hornet on the grounds that its really only of use for FAA, RAF really don’t need another Fast Jet type and FAA has neither man-power or facilities to have its own fast jet fleet.

…. buy, run and maintain a credible number of f18's, pref with a few of the EW varients along? I suspect the cupboard is bare and so any such argument is just crying over spilt milk at this point.
Potentially buying the F-18G would provide the UK, not just the FAA, with a capability that has been lacking for quite a few years. I know that there has been RAF types flying in the EA-6B, hopefully they can get transferred over to the F-18G side of the training squadron (VAQ-129). MM probably could provide the exact dates when the capability went out of the inventory. Handy for those times the enemy actually has some radar controlled defences. Although I suspect Uzbeck is on target with the comment that the cupboard is bare at this point in time.
 
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ECM01 said:
MM probably could provide the exact dates when the capability went out of the inventory.
17 December 1945 when 100 Group of Bomber Command (Daddy of all modern EA!) was disbanded!

Seriously, we’ve never really had a capability since that time to compare with dedicated escort or stand off jammers such as the EC-130H, EF-111 and EA-6B. Rather, we’ve relied on self protection ECM and SEAD/DEAD.

We retain the latter capability on our GR4s with ALARM although it is obviously not as well practised these days! Likewise, I understand that the RAF EA-6B exchange is to transfer to the EA-18G.

ECM01 said:
Handy for those times the enemy actually has some radar controlled defences.
I’m sure ECM01 will agree that the relevance of such EA is not restricted to those unsociable types seeking to obstruct truth and justice via RF threats ;)

The trouble is, it’s not merely the cost of procuring the Growlers; such a capability requires a not insignificant (in terms of cost and facilities) support infrastructure although we arguably already have the majority of it.

Finally, people miss the point by mere direct comparisons of F-35 with FA-18. The issue is not merely about providing a bomb truck and OCA asset for the RN and RAF.

Regards,
MM
 

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