Eyes, Booty’s and officers

#1
Bit complex this one.

I have just been applying for a commission in the Royal Marines. Unfortunately I am blind as a bat and twice as ugly. They sent me to an optician who told me I was just outside the worst vision they would accept. That is 6/60 uncorrected, corrected my vision is better than 6/5.

Now, the navy has (but hasn’t) suggested that I should get laser eye surgery. However the surgeon I would use only performs on candidates who are 21 or over (I am 17, 18 come July).
I don’t want to wait to serve since I don’t want to go to university and I don’t want to bum around doing jobs I don’t want to do until I have the surgery at 21 then have to wait 12 months.

Here is the reason why I am posting on arrse rather than rumration.

I always fancied the idea of being a intelligence officer, however I would far rather be a bootneck.
But since I would only have to serve 4 years including training it would also tie in quite nicely to getting my eyes done.

So what I want to know is can you have a worse state of vision as a intelligence officer. Like I say my eyes are narrowly below 6/60 uncorrected.

Because the plan would be to join the army, go through Sandhurst and then once I have had my eyes corrected go to the Marines and hopefully get a commission since my eyes wouldn’t be a problem then.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Edd
 
#2
Why the marines? there are Corps such as the RE's and RA who have commando squadrons/batterys, maybe others have commando units too, so you could join a corps and still become commando trained
 
#3
I have no idea why it is but the Marines are where I want to end up. Probably because they’re arrogant shite’s which seems to suit my personality quite well.

Gutted when I heard today my vision wasn't up to scratch. So really need to know about the standard for an intelligence officer.


Edd
 
#4
Why not sign up for a Corps, wait for a few years, and then go on the All Arms Commando Course?

You could then apply to commission whilst serving.
 

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#5
edd1989 said:
Bit complex this one.

I have just been applying for a commission in the Royal Marines.

(I am 17, 18 come July).
I don’t want to wait to serve since I don’t want to go to university and I don’t want to bum around doing jobs I don’t want to do until I have the surgery at 21 then have to wait 12 months.

I always fancied the idea of being a intelligence officer, however I would far rather be a bootneck.
But since I would only have to serve 4 years including training it would also tie in quite nicely to getting my eyes done.

So what I want to know is can you have a worse state of vision as a intelligence officer. Like I say my eyes are narrowly below 6/60 uncorrected.

Because the plan would be to join the army, go through Sandhurst and then once I have had my eyes corrected go to the Marines and hopefully get a commission since my eyes wouldn’t be a problem then.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Edd
Don't you need a univesity degree to be an officer in the Army and RM?
If you go to Uni wouldn't you be over 21 anyway?
Join as a Tom get your eyes done and then go for a commision
As stated you could attach RM anyway
 
#6
geo7863 said:
Why the marines? there are Corps such as the RE's and RA who have commando squadrons/batterys, maybe others have commando units too, so you could join a corps and still become commando trained
Alot of people say that. They are totally different jobs. Marines are infantry, the others are not. wearing a green beret doesn't make you a Marine, it makes you an Army Commando. Not that i'm saying there's anything wrong with Army Commando's. They're just totally different jobs.
 
#7
Check out the position re laser eye surgery. My understanding is that the Army are not too keen on it. Apparently blast waves can undo the treatment at the time when one is most likely to need good vision. Not 100% sure on this but get an answer from whoever you want to join in writing before you contemplate such a procedure. Oh and ask the Marine recruiting officer rather than a Navy officer, they may well have differing views.
 
#9
hairyhandbag said:
edd1989 said:
I have no idea why it is but the Marines are where I want to end up. Probably because they’re arrogant shite’s which seems to suit my personality quite well.

Edd
Who the fcuk are you to judge someone as arrogant shite's you prick.
I have worked and served with RM for nearly 14 years and the word arrogant is not one I would use to describe Royal.

You would not fit in RM for the following reasons.

1. You are a *.
2. You are 17 and probably a chav wanking inner city t**t with a poxed up mother and oxygen thief brothers and sisters (all by different fathers, and probably mothers)
3. Going to University and studying how to be a t**t will not qualify you for anything except a career with the Guardian.

As for Int Offrs, the ones I have dealt with tended to be really good eggs along with the rest of the Int Corps, so please do not poison there pool with your presence.

I do have a career suggestion for you. Change religion, go to Afghan and jump in front of a GPMG/5.56mm/etc and improve the lads morale.

Rant over
Seconded
 
#10
hairyhandbag said:
edd1989 said:
I have no idea why it is but the Marines are where I want to end up. Probably because they’re arrogant shite’s which seems to suit my personality quite well.

Edd
Who the fcuk are you to judge someone as arrogant shite's you prick.
I have worked and served with RM for nearly 14 years and the word arrogant is not one I would use to describe Royal.

You would not fit in RM for the following reasons.

1. You are a *.
2. You are 17 and probably a chav wanking inner city t**t with a poxed up mother and oxygen thief brothers and sisters (all by different fathers, and probably mothers)
3. Going to University and studying how to be a t**t will not qualify you for anything except a career with the Guardian.

As for Int Offrs, the ones I have dealt with tended to be really good eggs along with the rest of the Int Corps, so please do not poison there pool with your presence.

I do have a career suggestion for you. Change religion, go to Afghan and jump in front of a GPMG/5.56mm/etc and improve the lads morale.

Rant over
Bloody hell I’ve rubbed someone up the wrong way.

Look, I said “arrogant shite’s” because I am on an Army website where there seems to be plenty of RM bashing.
So I figured rather than say “I want to join the RM because they’re the best” and start of a “no they’re not”, “yes they are” type post I would I would say “arrogant shite’s” and associate it with myself.

I really hope you don’t work in an AFCO.

"I do have a career suggestion for you. Change religion, go to Afghan and jump in front of a GPMG/5.56mm/etc and improve the lads morale."

Bit harsh that one.

Edd
 
#11
hairyhandbag said:
edd1989 said:
I have no idea why it is but the Marines are where I want to end up. Probably because they’re arrogant shite’s which seems to suit my personality quite well.

Edd
Who the fcuk are you to judge someone as arrogant shite's you prick.
I have worked and served with RM for nearly 14 years and the word arrogant is not one I would use to describe Royal.

You would not fit in RM for the following reasons.

1. You are a *.
2. You are 17 and probably a chav wanking inner city t**t with a poxed up mother and oxygen thief brothers and sisters (all by different fathers, and probably mothers)
3. Going to University and studying how to be a t**t will not qualify you for anything except a career with the Guardian.

As for Int Offrs, the ones I have dealt with tended to be really good eggs along with the rest of the Int Corps, so please do not poison there pool with your presence.

I do have a career suggestion for you. Change religion, go to Afghan and jump in front of a GPMG/5.56mm/etc and improve the lads morale.

Rant over
Seems a bit harsh. Bit of a cyber-hardman eh?
 
#12
Try talking to the RM rather than the Navy you never know. You could also try talking to another eye doctor. It will cost you a bit though.

I'm not sure what the requirments are for RMAS, I can't imagine they'll be to chuffed about letting Mr Magoo in though.

Oh and ignor some of the knobheads on here, it's for the best.
 
#13
You could go to uni and commission in the TA, think of the big picture mate the best time to go to uni is at your age. Why the rush to get immersed in the military machine? Maybe you should increase your life experience a bit first? do something totally different, crew a yacht or work on a ranch in South America for six months or do a season in a ski resort or something?

You're only young once
 
#14
hairyhandbag said:
edd1989 said:
I have no idea why it is but the Marines are where I want to end up. Probably because they’re arrogant shite’s which seems to suit my personality quite well.

Edd
Who the fcuk are you to judge someone as arrogant shite's you prick.
I have worked and served with RM for nearly 14 years and the word arrogant is not one I would use to describe Royal.

You would not fit in RM for the following reasons.

1. You are a *.
2. You are 17 and probably a chav wanking inner city t**t with a poxed up mother and oxygen thief brothers and sisters (all by different fathers, and probably mothers)
3. Going to University and studying how to be a t**t will not qualify you for anything except a career with the Guardian.

As for Int Offrs, the ones I have dealt with tended to be really good eggs along with the rest of the Int Corps, so please do not poison there pool with your presence.

I do have a career suggestion for you. Change religion, go to Afghan and jump in front of a GPMG/5.56mm/etc and improve the lads morale.

Rant over
Mmm you seem to have issues.
 
#15
Maybe posting when full of alcohol was not a good idea.
Oh well I suppose I will have to live with it...........
 
#16
hairyhandbag said:
Maybe posting when full of alcohol was not a good idea.
Oh well I suppose I will have to live with it...........
Those Marines that I had the great privilege of working with in the past never found it necessary to jump down the throat of people who may express themselves inadequately. They had enough professionalism and self-confidence not to do so.

They also had enough courtesy, patience and common sense to clarify the position - rather than rushing to judgement and launching into a response.

Maybe times have changed - unfortunately not for the better, it would seem.
 
#17
bobath said:
Try talking to the RM rather than the Navy you never know. You could also try talking to another eye doctor. It will cost you a bit though.

I'm not sure what the requirments are for RMAS, I can't imagine they'll be to chuffed about letting Mr Magoo in though.

Oh and ignor some of the knobheads on here, it's for the best.
Couple of points, as I have been through the RM Officer Application process:

1) The RM is just another branch of the Navy, so talking to them instead will get you no-where. ;) most careers Liason Officers are RN, as there are more RN Officers about, but they are usually fully briefed on this kind of thing.

2)The Navy (Incl RM) will not, openly, tell you to get eye surgery; however, if you were to get it privately done, wait for a year, and then go back to them and never mention it, they won't mind. This was the advice a friend who failed on eyesight to be an observer wasn't given by his AFCO.

3)17/18 is very very young to attempt to be a RM Officer. I attempted it at this age and came a cropper, and I've only ever met one bloke who managed it, and he's pretty exceptional. The average age of the last Officer Batch was 24, IIRC, so I would suggest you back off it for a bit, and go out and get some life experience to prepare you. Travel, work abroad, join the TA, do an operational tour,maybe even do a degree, whatever.
 
#18
I agree with guys previously regarding the Marines. Good bunch of lads in the majority.

Regarding your eyes pal. If your eye sight is too poor for the RM it's likely to fcuk up applications to most arms and services. Essentially your eyes can be subject to the same stresses and strains as a RM as, for example, a door gunner in the RAF. Just keep it quiet!

The Intelligence Corps does not tend to take non-graduates from Sandhurst. In fact most young officers in the Int Corps not only have degrees but studied at a top uni to boot! There are plenty of opportunities for someone of your age to join as a soldier and commission from the ranks after a bit of experience.

Here endeth the Army recruitment drive!
 
#19
Atonement for probably the first time in a very long time. Its kinda long

EYESIGHT
1. Eyesight standards are promulgated in JSP 346 and BR 1750A. Individual branch standards are shown in the Summary of Entry Standards.
2. There are a large number of abnormalities of the eye or visual system (congenital, traumatic or pathological) which may be a cause of rejection regardless of visual acuity. These are detailed in JSP 346 Chapter 3 Article 0302 but include those candidates who have monocular or uniocular vision or who have suffered a detached
retina or undergone lens implantation or corneal grafting.
3. Candidates who have undergone certain types of surgery for correction of refractive errors may be acceptable for Service subject to certain criteria and following specialist assessment. Acceptable forms of surgery include Photorefractive Keratectomy (PRK), Photorefractive Astigmatic Keratectomy (PARK), Laser In-Situ Keratomileusis (LASIK) and Intrastromal Corneal Rings (ICRs), otherwise known as
Intrastromal Corneal Ring Segments (ICRSs). Candidates who have undergone Incisional Keratectomy ie Radial Keratectomy (RK), Astigmatic Keratectomy (AK) or a combination of both, will be rejected. It should be noted however that any form of surgical correction of myopia or hypermetropia is an absolute bar to entry as aircrew,
Pilot or Observer.
4. There is no general restriction to the wearing of spectacles or contact lenses to improve visual efficiency provided the eyesight standards, aided and unaided, are met. However, candidates must not wear contact lenses for a minimum of 48 hours prior to the eyesight test.
5. If a candidate, who does not possess spectacles or other visual aids, fails the eyesight test, but the FEMO considers that their visual acuity could be correctable within the prescribed limits for entry to the Service, then the candidate should normally be referred to an optician to confirm this. Candidates are to be advised that reimbursement for such an examination may be made on their return to the AFCO for
further medical examination.

COLOUR PERCEPTION (CP)
1. Candidates who are below CP3 will be required to undertake a further CP test using the Colour Perception Trade Test Board.
2. The test will be conducted by the FEMO as follows:
a. The test is to be conducted in a well-lit area. Fluorescent lighting is acceptable.
b. All wires are to be correctly matched by colour and connected to the wire on the opposite side of the board. The candidate is to complete the test in 5 minutes.
c. The candidate may wear glasses if necessary.
d. Results are to be recorded as follows:
(i) All wires correct - CP4
(ii) Any wire incorrect - CP5.
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3. There is currently a limitation to the number of test boards available and there are no replacements. AFCOs are to loan the test boards to the FEMO under signature.


CANDIDATES TEMPORARILY MEDICALLY UNFIT
1. The FEMO should explain to the candidate (with a letter to parents if underage), why they cannot be passed medically fit at that time. They should also advise the candidate what needs to occur before their medical fitness can be re-considered.
The AFCO will not be told the medical reason why the candidate is TMU, but will only be told that the individual is TMU and advised, in general terms, what must transpire before the candidate will be re-considered (eg after discharged from hospital follow-up; after one year without further problems etc).


CANDIDATES BELOW MEDICAL STANDARDS
1. Candidates will be rejected by the FEMO as ‘Below Naval Service Medical Standards’ and annotate the FMed 1 and the front of the FMed 691 accordingly.
The relevant reject code is to be entered onto TAFMIS. FMed 691 and enclosures are to be retained inside the candidate’s folder S1605 for three years and then destroyed. The medical records of those Former Regular Service candidates who are found medically unfit are to be returned to the relevant discharging authority.
2. The Medical reject letter must be sent to all candidates who are declared medically unfit. FEMOs will not normally comment to the candidate on the prognosis of the disability or on the likelihood of a response to treatment. Candidates who are dissatisfied with the FEMO/Specialist decision are to be advised to consult their
own general practitioner. The FEMO will respond to the candidate’s GP on written request.
3. Instructions for dealing with appeals against the Medical/Physical standards, or their application, are detailed in DNR Standing Orders.

I have also spoken to the CMO ref laser treatment. The guideline is as you stated 21 years to get done. However spectacles and contact lens are acceptable.
Under no circumstances try to cover it up, (im_a_mong_cpl take note) the RM take a very dim view of trying to sneak in with a medical condition. (Insurance claims etc spring to mind....)

Have a look at the Potential Royal Marine Course (PRMC) at Lympstone first. 18 is far too young for RMYO course and get your education under your belt.(303SMLE good advice)

HH - ZFR my last ZEV
 
#20
Fallschirmjager said:
geo7863 said:
Why the marines? there are Corps such as the RE's and RA who have commando squadrons/batterys, maybe others have commando units too, so you could join a corps and still become commando trained
Alot of people say that. They are totally different jobs. Marines are infantry, the others are not. wearing a green beret doesn't make you a Marine, it makes you an Army Commando. Not that i'm saying there's anything wrong with Army Commando's. They're just totally different jobs.
Slightly off topic here, but it's starting to grip my sh-it. Why is it that whenever anyone mentions they want to go RM, everyone starts banging on about RE etc? Fallschirmjager's right, their completely bloody different. If the chap wants to be RM then good luck mate, hope you make it.

Rant off. :meditate:
 
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