Eye for an Eye for an Eye

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Between 4 and 5 on Tuesday morning, July 29, 1947, the Acre prison gallows were operated three times in quick succession. Avshalom Haviv, Yaakov Weiss and Meir Nakar, Irgun soldiers who had participated in the May 4th prison break which set free 41 Irgun and Lehi ( Stern ) members from that same Acre prison, were hanged by Captain Clough. Thirteen hours later, at 6 p.m., in a disused diamond polishing workshop in Netanya, Amihai Paglin, Irgun operations chief, hanged Clifford Martin and Marvin Paice, soldiers in the British army in Mandatory Palestine. They had been held as hostages in a vain attempt to dissuade the British from applying the death sentence.


The Sanctity of Death:
The History of Death Penalty in Israel
Shai J. Lavi

Why has the death penalty, with the
single exception of Adolph Eichmann, never been applied in Israel, not even to
terrorists? How should one understand the absence of the death penalty, given the
accumulation of non-judicial killings of terrorists? Why has the punishment of death
been kept in confinement? What, in the collective memory of Israeli lawmakers, security
experts and the general public, raises the fear of the gallows? What ghosts are still
haunting the guillotine? To answer these questions the essay traces the history of the
death penalty back into the times of the British mandate, exploring one formative
moment, through which the death penalty became a dangerous spectacle.

On the first day of July 1947, a small group of British soldiers, Jewish residents,
and newspaper reporters was making its way through a thicket of eucalyptus trees at the
outskirts of Netanya, a small town north of Tel-Aviv. They were searching the woods to
find the dead bodies of two British sergeants, Clifford Martin and Marvyn Paice, who
were killed several days earlier by the “Etzel”, the National Military Organization
a dissident Zionist underground movement. As they approached their target ,a
horrifying sight appeared. The corpses of the two soldiers were hanging from a tree, their
shirts covering their heads, dry blood that had dripped from their open mouths staining
their close, and a short statement attached to their chests. The note explained that the two
were executed after an Irgun court had heard them testify to their crimes and added that
the two asked for pardon but the court rejected their plea. The note neither mentioned nor
tried to hide the vengeful character of this deed. The execution of three Irgun members
several days earlier by a British military court left little room for doubt.


Less than an hour after the corpses of the dead sergeants were found, Ben-Ami,
the Mayor of Netanya distributed the following declaration to the press: “Of all the
crimes that took place till this day on this land, this is the most grievous and disgusting
one and will stain the purity of our peoples struggle for freedom. May this act of hanging
remain as a sign of Cain on the doers of this disgraceful deed! The heavens and the earth
are my witnesses,” continued the Mayor, “that most of our population took desperate
measures to free the hostages and prevent this shame.” Ben-Ami was expressing, the
mainstream response of the Yishuv (the Zionist establishment), which opposed the
terrorist attacks of the Irgun not least out of fear for British retaliation.

For the Irgun, the killing of the two British sergeants had a different significance.
It was clearly not an extraordinary crime of violence, but nor was it an ordinary attack
against British military targets. The British soldiers were kidnapped in an attempt to deter
the British authorities from executing three Irgun members who were caught during a
previous operation – the break-in to the most guarded prison-house in Akko and the
release of its Jewish inmates.

The Irgun had good reason to hope that the British would yield to their demand to
abolish the death penalty, as they did in the past, when a similar threat was posed.
The kidnapping of the two British sergeants, however, did not have the expected
impact. The reason is not fully clear, but it would seem that the British believed that the
situation in Palestine was gradually getting out of control, and that they had to show a
firm hand. The Irgun captives were thus executed despite the threat, and Martin and
Paice were expected to pay the price. A grave decision was now facing the Irgun’s
leadership, but there was no real hesitation, it was clear that the execution of the
sergeants would take place.


From Punishment to Revenge

Shortly after the hanging of the British sergeants became known, the leaders of
the Yishuv dreaded the possibility of British retaliation. Tel-Aviv’s Mayor, Israel
Rokach, turned to the governor of the district for assurance. “There is nothing to fear,
there will be no retaliation by the security forces,” promised the governor and added
“One may count on the fair treatment of the British soldier.”

The truth – quite to the contrary – was soon discovered. The British response
began at around 8:30 in the evening at the corner of the streets Ben-Yehuda and
Trumpeldor. Till that hour the people on the streets were relaxed as expected of a first
summer night in August. Some were sitted at Cafes, others were strolling or waiting for
the late show at the cinema. This pastoral setting turned within minutes to a horrible site
of violent gun fire. Dozens of soldiers and police officers, some where wearing uniform
but most dressed as civilians were carrying machine-guns, pistols and heavy metal clubs,
arrived at the place in three trucks escorted by a police armed vehicle. The police officers
and soldiers attacked shocked citizens with their clubs and battered irrespectively men
and women, old and young. When the streets eventually cleared away from citizens and
there was no one left to beat up, the “men of the law” begun to break and shatter window
shops. Several policemen who were on duty at that time and saw what was being done,
did not act to prevent the outburst of terror. “These are not policemen, and we are not
allowed to intervene, these are soldiers,” answered the law officers on duty to citizens
who asked them to use their authority.

In unauthorized reports it was said that armed cars fired on Alenbi street, and as a
result a man on a bus was killed and a woman injured. It has been reported that in
Shkhunat Ha’ Tikva fire was opened from out of an armed car, and a bomb was thrown
out of it into a Caf.. As a result three people were killed and several wounded. It was
officially reported that all police vehicles on duty in Tel-Aviv were ordered to report back
to their bases, their weapons were examined, and they were not in use.”



Years later, long after the establishment of the State of Israel, the spectacle of the
hanging bodies of Martin and Paice will return to haunt the Israeli public once and again.
Indeed, this is how the former Israeli Minister of Justice explained his reservations from
enacting a death penalty for Palestinian terrorists:
“Every movement that sees itself as a freedom movement needs its martyrs that
will set an example to the young generation of their people. Executed Palestinians will
remain in the conscious of their people as great heroes…. A verdict of death against a
terrorists will inevitably lead to the kidnapping of Israelis to prevent the execution… The
affair will end in one of two possible ways: in the contempt of surrendering to terrorists
and the abolition de-facto of the death penalty, or in a cycle of bloodshed of gallows and
killing of hostages. One recalls the kidnapping of the two British sergeants by the Irgun.
The purpose of the kidnapping was to prevent the execution of Irgun members which
were sentenced to death by a British court. The British authorities were not deterred: the
Irgun members were executed and the two sergeants were killed. Since that episode the
British stopped executing members of the Irgun. The lesson is clear.”

Still today, among the primary reasons against death penalty to terrorist are the
fears of drawing punishment into a cycle of revenge and of turning terrorists into martyrs.

Clifford Martin ( left ), one of the two hanged British soldiers, was Jewish according to Jewish law. His mother, an Egyptian Jew, had married an Anglo-Catholic colonial official. Interviewed years after the event, none of the dozen Irgun members who were in contact with the kidnaped soldiers could recall ever hearing a word from Martin as to his religious background. Indeed, to communicate with him, they were forced to speak Arabic.





PAICE, MERVYN HAROLD Name
United Kingdom Nationality
Serjeant Rank
Intelligence Corps Regiment
252 Field Security Sec. Unit Text
20 Age
30/07/1947 Date of Death
14076315 Service No
Son of Harry Edward and Rose Kathleen Paice, of Stoke Bishop, Bristol. Additional information
Commonwealth War Dead Casualty Type
9. J. 21. Grave/Memorial Reference
RAMLEH WAR CEMETERY Cemetery ( Israel)




MARTIN, CLIFFORD JAMES VICTOR Name
United Kingdom Nationality
Serjeant Rank
Intelligence Corps Regiment
252 Field Security Sec. Unit Text
30/07/1947 Date of Death
2547624 Service No
Commonwealth War Dead Casualty Type
9. J. 20. Grave/Memorial Reference
RAMLEH WAR CEMETERY Cemetery ( Israel)


The diamond polishing workshop in Netanya

http://www.irus.co.il/images/clali/61.jpg

Daily Express carried a large picture on the front page, showing the sergeants as they were found, hands tied behind their back, hooded, and hanging from eucalyptus trees under the headline: ‘Hanged Britons: picture that will shock the world.’
 
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It's interesting mora but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make or what issue you are trying to debate. Israel regularly executes people who it sees as its enemies albeit without the judicial process normally associated with the death sentence (so I suppose it is more accurate to say murders people). Normally this is done in retaliation for some outrage carried out by Palestinian terrorists. So if you are saying nothing much has changed in the last 60 years and Israel has not learned the lessons from the time when members of the Yishuv conducted a terrorist campaign in support of their perceived rights for sovereignty I have to agree with you.
 
#3
I see, so what you're telling us is that the state of Israel was founded by terrorists, and that British retaliation for the murder of their soldiers back then was far lighter than the reactions displayed by the Israeli army when their soldiers are murdered by Palestinians today. Oh, and that terrorist acts by Jewish extremists help fascists spread their message of hate.
 
#5
Terrorist acts are carried out by terrorists, simple To describe them as extremists, or militants or insurgents etc is just the usual doublespeak of apologists for terror.
The Jewish state was indeed founded on terrorism, an uncomfortable historical fact especially given their undeniable policy of Lebensraum in the occupied territories.
 
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One_of_the_strange said:
I see, so what you're telling us is that the state of Israel was founded by terrorists, and that British retaliation for the murder of their soldiers back then was far lighter than the reactions displayed by the Israeli army when their soldiers are murdered by Palestinians today. Oh, and that terrorist acts by Jewish extremists help fascists spread their message of hate.

Terrorists targeting civilians. Irgun had as much right to view the British as illegal occupiers as the French "resistance" had had to view the Germans as illegal occupiers of France.

How is murdering a woman who is sleeping with a German soldier because he can provide her with luxuries (chocolate, silk, extra rations) which a Frenchman cannot, a wholly justifiable tactic of war?

Yes, it would have better if the Irgun had stronger-minded leaders who didn't scarifice their captives to their own fear of appearing " weak ".

On The Hanging Drama:

"The British Empire in the Middle East 1945-51" by William Roger Louis :

Jorge Garvia Granados, a leading figure in the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine
(UNSCOP), on this issue



He referred to this incident

From "The UN Report Prepared in 1948 for Ralphe Bunche, New UN Commissioner to Palestine" on Jewish terrorism as reported by the British Authorities:
158

July 29, 1947, Palestine. The British authorities hanged three Irgunists in Acre prison despite appeals from Jewish leaders. The condemned, Myer Nakar, Absalom Habib and Jacob Weiss, had fought in the Czech underground during the war. They were convicted of blowing up Acre Prison on May 4 and liberating 200 Arabs and Jews.
Those three "terrorists" didn't kill anyone, had fought in the Czech underground during the war on behalf of the SOE. Their hanging referred by Sumner Welles (1892 – 1961), Under Secretary of State in US, as murder.




For the WWII Resistance movements, and for their British backers in SOE who had been ordered by Prime Minister Winston Churchill to "set Europe ablaze," they were freedom fighters. Their clandestine work of sabotage and ambush, destroying bridges and railroads, assassinating German officials and their local collaborators, was a wholly justifiable tactic of a war of national liberation. And it was the Nazi occupiers of Europe during World War II who characterized the work of the French and Czech and Polish Resistance movements, as backed by Britain's Special Operations Executive, as 'terrorism."

Similar tactics were used against the British in Palestine by Israeli "terrorists" (or freedom fighters) like the future Prime Ministers Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir. For example, the Zionist organization Irgun preceded many of its attacks (notably the 1946 King David Hotel, the military HQ section, bombing) with warnings to the press, the target, or the authorities of the British Mandate of Palestine. They were nevertheless considered terrorists by the British. Irgun had as much right to view the British as illegal occupiers as the French had had to view the Germans as illegal occupiers of France.
 
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mora said:
One_of_the_strange said:
I see, so what you're telling us is that the state of Israel was founded by terrorists, and that British retaliation for the murder of their soldiers back then was far lighter than the reactions displayed by the Israeli army when their soldiers are murdered by Palestinians today. Oh, and that terrorist acts by Jewish extremists help fascists spread their message of hate.

Terrorists targeting civilians. Irgun had as much right to view the British as illegal occupiers as the French had had to view the Germans as illegal occupiers of France. Yes, it would have better if the Irgun had stronger-minded leaders who didn't scarifice their captives to their own fear of appearing " weak ".

On The Hanging Drama:

"The British Empire in the Middle East 1945-51" by William Roger Louis :

Jorge Garvia Granados, a leading figure in the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine
(UNSCOP), on this issue



He referred to this incident

From "The UN Report Prepared in 1948 for Ralphe Bunche, New UN Commissioner to Palestine" on Jewish terrorism as reported by the British Authorities:
158

July 29, 1947, Palestine. The British authorities hanged three Irgunists in Acre prison despite appeals from Jewish leaders. The condemned, Myer Nakar, Absalom Habib and Jacob Weiss, had fought in the Czech underground during the war. They were convicted of blowing up Acre Prison on May 4 and liberating 200 Arabs and Jews.
Those three "terrorists" didn't kill anyone, had fought in the Czech underground during the war on behalf of the SOE. Their hanging referred by Sumner Welles (1892 – 1961), Under Secretary of State in US, as murder.


All this is very well. However, one item was missing from your descritpion regarding the bodies of the 2 Int Corps Sgts which did more to cause the reaction amongst the forces in Palestine than just the fact the lads were executed. It was that both bodies were booby-trapped and when the attempt was made to get the bodies down the devices exploded. This caused revulsion amongst the security forces
and no doubt helped in the action that followed.

Furthermore, the 3 caught may or may not have killed anyone but soldiers and prison warders were killed during the Acre breakout and those captured were executed for being part of this ie an accomplice, as was the policy at the time :roll:
 
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The difference between SOE in Europe and Jewish terrorists in Israel is we were fighting to liberate a recognised Nation State from an illegal occupation, whilst the Stern gang etc were using unlawful terrorism against the imperial power prior to their subsequent illegal policy of ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians. The Holocaust does not excuse jewish atrocities.
 
#9
Little hook, big fish ...

Can I take it from your remarks then that Palestinians who view Israelis as illegal occupiers are justified in killing Israeli soldiers and civilians if it helps to end the occupation ? Or do different rules apply depending on your ethnic origin ? Go on, justify that using simplistic moral absolutes.

For the record, I'd characterise Palestinians who blow themselves up in public places and launch Qassam rockets at settlements as scum who should end up in a shallow grave, alongside Israeli soldiers who slot children and bulldoze houses on top of grannies.

Seriously, for any semblance of peace to descend on that part of the world both sides need to stop seeing themselves as victims of unprovoked aggression, stop seeing the world in black and white and start looking for a compromise. No-one will like it, but it beats the current situation. I don't particularly like seeing terrorist murderers become politicians - but it beats the alternative. By the way, terrorist murderers is a personal view based on the fact I'm in the organisation they shoot at - but I do acknowledge others may form a different view. And do I refer to PIRA or IRGUN ? - well, both.

Edited to add: And as you can see from Warrior_Poets ramblings your simplistic claptrap really does encourage your enemies. Well done.
 
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All this is very well. However, one item was missing from your descritpion regarding the bodies of the 2 Int Corps Sgts which did more to cause the reaction amongst the forces in Palestine than just the fact the lads were executed. It was that both bodies were booby-trapped and when the attempt was made to get the bodies down the devices exploded. This caused revulsion amongst the security forces and no doubt helped in the action that followed.

For the Full long essay :

The Sanctity of Death:. The History of Death Penalty in Israel. Shai J. Lavi.
www.as.huji.ac.il/conf/ex-force/Lavi.pdf


According to this source ( PAUL BAGON ) at least in Britain itself, it was the histerical media reporting


THE IMPACT OF THE JEWISH UNDERGROUND UPON ANGLO JEWRY: PAUL BAGON

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~metheses/Bagon.pdf

At exactly the time when Anglo-Jewry was at its most vulnerable, when, for
the first time in its modern history the community was united in its overt and
vehement opposition to British governmental policy, the British authorities in
Palestine executed the three condemned Irgun prisoners on July 29 1947. The
executions did not receive much attention in the British media. The Irgun’s claim the
following day, however, to have revenged the execution of their men by hanging
sergeants Martin and Paice certainly did capture the media’s attention, and once more
thrust Palestine into the centre of the international arena.

The Final Reprisal
On 31 July 1947 the booby trapped bodies of the two British sergeants were
found hanging dead in a wood near Nethanya. Pinned on them were mocking notices
signed by the “tribunal” of Irgun.

Condemnations of the Irgun’s ‘bestialities’ came from all sections of British
society and media. Under the headline ‘Murder in Palestine’ The Times commented
that: ‘it is difficult to estimate the damage that will be done to the Jewish cause not
only in this country but throughout the world by the cold-blooded murder of the two
British soldiers…’306 The Manchester Guardian, whilst urging the government that it
was ‘time to go’ from Palestine, similarly noted that the hangings were ‘a greater
blow to the Jewish nation than to the British government.

Holding the innocent to blame for the guilty’.

As Britain entered the summer bank holiday weekend on Friday 1 August
1947, the tranquillity of what should have been a quiet and restful public holiday was
shattered by a torrent of anti-Semitic violence and rioting. The unambiguous cause of
the violence was the Irgun execution of sergeants Martin and Paice. News of the ‘cold
blooded Irgun murders’ quickly spread across Britain through extensive coverage
in the British media, a development that served to unify the British public in shock
and horror. The tabloid press in particular capitalised upon the tragedy by reporting
the ‘Irgun murders’ in graphic detail and in a highly provocative manner. Typifying
the sensational press reporting, the Daily Express carried a large picture on the front
page, showing the sergeants as they were found, hands tied behind their back, hooded,
and hanging from eucalyptus trees under the headline: ‘Hanged Britons: picture that
will shock the world.’

The provocative nature of the newspaper reporting contributed to the already
tense situation surrounding Anglo-Jewry’s position in British society, although it was
undoubtedly the calculated callousness of the Irgun reprisal hangings, which acted to
spark the violent backlash against Anglo-Jewry. The rioting began as a wave of anti-
Jewish demonstrations, which started in Liverpool and subsequently spread across
Britain’s urban centres from London to Glasgow. These ‘demonstrations,’ fuelled by
bank holiday high spirits, quickly turned into a violent outpouring of hatred against
the Anglo-Jewish community, as a vendetta for the deaths of the British sergeants in
Palestine.

Indicative of the breath of the violence, incidents were reported in West
Derby, where a wooden synagogue was burnt down, in Glasgow, where ‘bricks were
thrown through the windows of Jewish shops, and in Liverpool, where ‘over a
hundred windows belonging to Jewish owners were shattered’. It was also in
Liverpool where the rioting was most intensive and long lasting. For over five days
the city bore witness to such extreme violence and looting that the Lord Mayor was
compelled to issue an appeal to the city ‘to assist the police in the prevention of
attacks on property and shops supposedly owned by Jews’. In total over 300 Jewish
properties were affected by the rioting in Liverpool, and the police made 88 arrests.
Confirming the anti-Jewish motivation of the rioting, synagogues and easily
recognisable Jewish properties and symbols throughout Britain were deliberately
targeted by the vigilantes. In Hendon, London, windows of the Raleigh Close
synagogue were smashed and a piece of paper was found with the words “Jews are
sin”, Blackpool and St John’s Wood synagogues received telephone calls threatening
that they would be blown up, and the walls of Plymouth synagogue were attacked and
marked with fascist signs and slogans: ‘Hang all Jews’ and “Destroy Judah”. In other
attacks on Jewish targets, gravestones in a Jewish cemetery were uprooted in
Birmingham, “Hitler was right” was daubed on properties in North Wales, and
Jewish property in Halifax, Pendleton, Lancashire, Bolton, Holyhead and Southend
were also attacked. In a further incident, the back door of the JC’s representative’s
home in Cardiff was marked “Jews—good old Hitler”.

In addition to the widespread nature of the rioting, events in Eccles,
Lancashire indicated the broad support and popularity of the anti-Jewish violence.

During the spontaneous anti-Jewish demonstration, on 5 August 1947, The Times and
JC reported that a crowd of 700 people ‘cheered each hit’ as missiles pelted Jewish
properties smashing their windows. In a further revealing incident, fifty abattoir
slaughtermen in Birkenhead ‘refused to handle kosher meat for a week as a protest
against the murder of the two British sergeants in Palestine’.
Denunciation of the rioting was expressed from within and without of Anglo-
Jewry. In a clear indicator of the severity of the disturbances, Home Secretary Chuter
Ede gave a written statement to Parliament regarding the matter. Under the
headline ‘a disgrace’, The Manchester Guardian commented that:
‘The anti-Jewish demonstrations which have marred the week-end in
Manchester, Liverpool, and other towns are clearly the work of the most
irresponsible and hooligan elements in our population. But that does not make
these outbreaks less menacing or less disgraceful…
The man who condemns the Zionists in Palestine on account of the crimes of
the Irgun gangsters is only a degree better the youth who expresses his hatred
by mobbing the innocent men and women of Cheetham Hill or Wavertree.
There is no political fault so common or so dangerous as this primitive
confusion between many and few. The murder of the British sergeants in
Palestine was a brutal crime, the act of crazed fanatics. But…to answer
terrorism in Palestine with terrorism in England is sheer Hitlerism. We must
be desperately careful to see that we do not let ourselves be infected with the
poison of the disease we had thought to eradicate’.
The JC, which since Shaftesley’s appointment as editor had assiduously followed a
restrained and sensitive editorial line regarding Anglo-Jewry’s position in society,
was provoked by the rioting to explicitly express its anger and disillusionment with
Anglo-Jewry’s treatment by its compatriots:
‘Passion and fanaticism have, alas, spread to Britain itself and Britain’s
reputation suffers in consequence. The anti-Jewish riots which have occurred
in several towns, on the pretext of the Palestine murders, are shameful in the
extreme, both for themselves and for the fact that they represent the newest
extension of the evil principle of holding the innocent to blame for the
guilty’.

It was, however, the Association of Jewish ex-Servicemen who gave the most
informative and telling Anglo-Jewish reaction to the dual tragedies of the Irgun
executions and the anti-Jewish rioting in Britain. In an unequivocal bid to display
Anglo-Jewish loyalty to Britain, even in the face of the overwhelming animosity that
the anti-Jewish rioting presented, the Association placed a wreath at the plinth of the
Cenotaph with the inscription: ‘In memory of Sergeant Martin and Sergeant Paice,
who died doing their duty in Palestine. From the Jewish ex-Service comrades of the
British forces.’
 
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I despise terrorism and that includes State terrorism, Israel are in direct breach of International law in the occupied territories except there ain't no oil there is there? Wonder what the reaction of the U.S would be if there were?

I do not intend to encourage my enemies, I merely seek to point out the double standards between Jewish terror and Palestinian terror. They are like fleas arguing about who owns the dog as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps the world would be a better place had Israel not been artificially created to assuage the collective guilt of the west? The fact remains that sooner or later they will indeed have to compromise except of course, the likes of Hamas won't ,nor will the Jewish fundamentalists.
Let them fight it out amongst themselves I say, let their God decide. To try to compare the middle eastern thugs to the brave men and women of SOE is an gross insult.
 
#12
Furthermore, the 3 caught may or may not have killed anyone but soldiers and prison warders were killed during the Acre breakout and those captured were executed for being part of this ie an accomplice, as was the policy at the time
The deaths were among the irgun members themselves:

"...In a carefully planned attack, the Irgun exploded a massive bomb against the prison walls
of Acre gaol and using a ‘column of 18 stolen vehicles’ released many of the prison’s
inmates. Acre Prison had been the execution site of Irgun members in April and also
operated as Palestine’s central jail, housing many of the Irgun’s captured members.
The prison was therefore a highly symbolic target for the Irgun, and the ease and
effectiveness with which it was attacked was very embarrassing for the British. The
attack was, however, by no means a complete success for the Irgun, since nine of its
members were killed in the fighting, and a further nine captured by the British
forces."...


From Palestine to Northern Ireland John Newsinger

http:www.palgrave.com/pdfs/0333793854.pdf

At War with Zion
The full extent of the British army’s failure was brought home on 4

May when the IZL carried out a rescue operation against the Acre

fortress. The attackers blew a hole in the wall, allowing 255 prisoners,

most of them Arabs, to escape. The IZL guerrillas suffered heavy casualties

while making their getaway, losing eight killed and five

captured, but nothing could disguise the fact that the dissident underground’s

military capability was increasing rather than diminishing.

The hangings

Three more IZL members were still to be hanged for their part in the

Acre rescue, an operation in which no British lives had been lost. To

prevent this, on 12 July the IZL kidnapped two British Field Security

sergeants in Nathanya and held them hostage. Operation Tiger saw the

town sealed off, placed under a punitive curfew and repeatedly

searched in a fruitless attempt to find the two men. On 29 July the

three IZL prisoners were hanged, whereupon the two sergeants were

hanged in reprisal. This incident provoked widespread anti-Semitic

attacks and rioting in Britain, while in Palestine troops and police took

unofficial reprisals against the settler community, leaving five Jews

dead and many more injured. The widespread outrage that is still

voiced over this admittedly ruthless act seems misplaced. The execution

of the three IZL members was every bit as reprehensible as that of

the two sergeants and moreover provoked the IZL reprisal. The real

mistake that Begin and his comrades made was, one suspects, in

kidnapping ordinary soldiers rather than officers or someone ‘important’.

What was the impact of this grim episode? It had a completely

disproportionate effect in convincing the British authorities that

neither repression nor concession within the limits of what was politically

possible could crush the revolt and that the longer it continued

the greater the danger of a breakdown of discipline in the security

forces.

According to the historian Ritchie Ovendale, it was the Exodus

episode, together with the hanging of the two sergeants, that finally

convinced the Labour government to surrender the Mandate and withdraw

British forces from Palestine.


Warrior_Poet said:
To try to compare the middle eastern thugs to the brave men and women of SOE is an gross insult.
The three Jewish terrorists were SOE members who served in the British Army!

Warrior_Poet said:
The difference between SOE in Europe and Jewish terrorists in Israel is we were fighting to liberate a recognised Nation State from an illegal occupation, whilst the Stern gang etc were using unlawful terrorism against the imperial power prior to their subsequent illegal policy of ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians. The Holocaust does not excuse jewish atrocities.

Land of Israel/Palestine wasn't crown hold but mandate by the league of nations , which declared the british was in breach of the mandate ( by not allowing jews fleeing the nazis to enter the land )

As was reported in American media

Time Magazine archive


http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,887512,00.html

World/PALESTINE
Eye for an Eye for an Eye
Aug. 11, 1947
At the traditional time (4 a.m.) on the traditional day for executions (Tuesday), the British hanged three Jewish terrorists in the Acre prison. The three had been captured at the same prison twelve weeks before when they had released other terrorists in a costly raid.Scarcely were the terrorists' bodies buried than British troops began patrolling Zion Square in Jerusalem. The British had heard that the Irgun Zvai Leumi would try to hang, from the square's lone tree, two 20-year-old British sergeants it had captured as hostages.But the Irgun terrorists had chosen a forest preserve south of...


The grisly news of the eucalyptus grove quickly spread through a land which had learned to expect an eye for an eye. Panicky Jews prepared to flee from Natanya. British troops grew sullen, angry, dangerous. That night, in Tel Aviv, British soldiers on foot and in armored cars lashed out in an unsoldierly demonstration. They smashed windows, beat Jews, fired Sten guns into a crowded bus. Five Jews were killed, 15 wounded. Next day, at the funeral for the five dead, mourners and police clashed again. The toll: 33 Jews injured. Said one resident of Natanya: "This cancels out the two sergeants."
 
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One_of_the_strange said:
.......Seriously, for any semblance of peace to descend on that part of the world both sides need to stop seeing themselves as victims of unprovoked aggression, stop seeing the world in black and white and start looking for a compromise. No-one will like it, but it beats the current situation. ......

Edited to add: And as you can see from Warrior_Poets ramblings your simplistic claptrap really does encourage your enemies. Well done.
For your first paragraph, compromise has been looked at before, the end price was seen as too high (by one side or the other). Not really a case of unprovoked aggression in Israel's case if you look at it's history since statehood, it has faced 6 wars and 2 intifadas and constant terrorist / militant (whatever you like to term them) against civpop centres.

As for your edit: Mora only tends to encourage his enemies if they disagree with his posts (however sensitive they might be considering that this is a British army kind of site).
I am unsure as to whether (in his motives) he wants to provoke a negative 'backlash' here or maybe (this depends) web debate on the 'cut & pastes' which are points of military / historic interest.
Israel's enemies generally need no encouragement though, such use as the word lebensraum previously in a thread, or 'der sturmer' in another are quite grotesque.
 
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mora, what you are saying is that we shouldnt have fought the Nazi's with whatever means we used or that as we did we can't condone the actions of the so called freedom fighters. If thats the case why did we libertate Europe, or is the only way the people of Israel feel they are able to thank the likes of my grandparents and uncles who fought the Nazis is to condone their murder?
 
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Both Palestinian and Israeli tactics and rhetoric have often mirrored Nazi policies. My use of the term Lebensraum was fully justified.
 
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Arik said:
One_of_the_strange said:
.......Seriously, for any semblance of peace to descend on that part of the world both sides need to stop seeing themselves as victims of unprovoked aggression, stop seeing the world in black and white and start looking for a compromise. No-one will like it, but it beats the current situation. ......

Edited to add: And as you can see from Warrior_Poets ramblings your simplistic claptrap really does encourage your enemies. Well done.
For your first paragraph, compromise has been looked at before, the end price was seen as too high (by one side or the other). Not really a case of unprovoked aggression in Israel's case if you look at it's history since statehood, it has faced 6 wars and 2 intifadas and constant terrorist / militant (whatever you like to term them) against civpop centres.

As for your edit: Mora only tends to encourage his enemies if they disagree with his posts (however sensitive they might be considering that this is a British army kind of site).
I am unsure as to whether (in his motives) he wants to provoke a negative 'backlash' here or maybe (this depends) web debate on the 'cut & pastes' which are points of military / historic interest.
Israel's enemies generally need no encouragement though, such use as the word lebensraum previously in a thread, or 'der sturmer' in another are quite grotesque.
Does the calendar read 1967 ? 1973 ? Or 2006 ? Stop dredging up history to justify the indefensible today, we can all play that game and it is ultimately futile. Oh, and thanks for proving my point, although I fear you still don't get it. If you persist in thinking you're still up on top of Masada (been there BTW, quite moving) then either you or the Pallies will cease to exist. Personally I'd look for another solution.

And I was the one who compared the "Jerusalem Post" to "der Sturmer" - because I've read both and they're both full of racist drivel. One more blatant than the other to be sure, but both are unacceptable to my eyes.
 
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Quote - Does the calendar read 1967 ? 1973 ? Or 2006 ? Stop dredging up history to justify the indefensible today, we can all play that game and it is ultimately futile. Oh, and thanks for proving my point, although I fear you still don't get it. If you persist in thinking you're still up on top of Masada (been there BTW, quite moving) then either you or the Pallies will cease to exist. Personally I'd look for another solution.

And I was the one who compared the "Jerusalem Post" to "der Sturmer" - because I've read both and they're both full of racist drivel. One more blatant than the other to be sure, but both are unacceptable to my eyes
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Ref calendar dates: you look at them as if nothing else has gone on in between (notwithstanding the fact that the country has had a major war on or within it's borders since inception every decade, can you imagine that in the UK?) I think that what you may like to think of as the 'Masada mentality' is as a consequence of several millenia of butt kicking and the only country Israel can rely on when the chips are actually down is itself.

Ref: Der Sturmer thing, the two cannot be equated, however, people with your sentiments love to equate Israel/Zionism to Nazism.
 
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Ref: Der Sturmer thing, the two cannot be equated, however, people with your sentiments love to equate Israel/Zionism to Nazism.

I don't think that was quite what he was getting at. What he was comparing was the editorials of both and the emphasis on extremist sentiments and racism. This is not the same as equating zionism with nazism, although some may argue that there are those on the fringes seeking the biblical borders of Israel as the true state that may fall in line with the babblings in Mein Kampf (hence WP ref to Lebensraum) :roll:
 

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