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Extremely disturbing! How Septics treat their women soldiers

#1
Get a load of this, FFS!

If you take in the three vids, you get the impression that this is an extremely serious problem in urgent need of address, but which has been swept under the mat and “desensationalised” so as not to “spook the rest”. But maybe it’s something that really needs to be brought out into the open.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/48992/

Consider also this report:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/03/07/women_in_military/

As ex-RAMC, I served with any number of women and I never heard anything nearly as bad as this with regard to the treatment of women in the forces. However, maybe it’s time that a survey was held about the treatment of women in the British Army. Just to make sure that we don’t go the way of the Septics.

Just a thought.

MsG
 
#2
The solution is brilliantly simple, stop hiring girls. There were zero sexual assaults in the infantry battalions I served in.
Or, alternatively (and I like this solution best), I believe we should make the military 100% female. Send the bitches off to war.

BTW, are you a girl, Bugsy?
 
#3
Trolling today?
 
#4
Virgil said:
Trolling today?
Is that the best you can do? No mention of the subject of the thread? No cause for worry?

MsG
 
#5
Bugsy said:
Virgil said:
Trolling today?
Is that the best you can do?
Stating the obvious counts as 'good enough' I'd say.

No mention of the subject of the thread? No cause for worry?
You mean the subject line you wrote that assumes it's all true without a bit of doubt?
 
#6
If true, it's obviously extremely concerning and requires immediate action. However, there's precious little in those links to suggest the allegations are true.
 
#7
I personally find it all a bit suspect;
1) Col. Karpinski from Abu Ghrab fame was courtmartialed and demoted as a result and wouldn't have any reason to make up some nonsense to make the Army or her superior Shancez look bad. :roll:

2) A Sgt with 22 years in. That's an E-5 the lowest ranking NCO. That leads me to believe she was either crap and subject to a RIF or she was subject to some type of UCMJ actions and subsequently forced out. She should have at a minimum been a SSgt (E-6)

3) The Spc (E-4) never says that she was attacked or recounts a specific event(s) just generally said she felt uneasy. And then this little tid bit
I joined when I was seventeen. They had a lot of recruiters at my school, and I wasn’t doing too great in school, and I needed some type of guidance and I needed a way to pay for college. And I decided to join. I was pretty satisfied in the beginning, until later. I joined the National Guard to get the feel of the military, because I wasn’t sure if I was ready to be active-duty. And now I find myself -- I’ve been in four years, and I’ve been active-duty more than half of the time that I’ve been in. And it’s not what I signed up for. But I just pretty much joined for the, I guess, direction.
Let me translate: "Joined for the college money didn't realise I would actually be called upon to my do job in a war zone, and sweat my norks off in a desert. I'm done and want out!"

Oh and she's knock up now wonder if that is another way she is attempting to get out?

There was no evidence presented it appears to all be opinon by some suspect slags pissed off at the Army.

I didn't view the video just browsed the transcript.
 
#8
I was in Arif Jan (think thats right) at the begining of 2003 and remember hearing about at least three rapes by U.S personel some i was led to believe on U.K personel and all during NBC (whatever its called now we thought it was real) attacks.
 
#9
Do US forces have an equality and diversity policy?

Are there values and standards that are listed, taught, reinforced and expected of US Forces?
 
#10
dingerr said:
Do US forces have an equality and diversity policy?

Are there values and standards that are listed, taught, reinforced and expected of US Forces?
Yes. To the point of PC motivated promotions

I won't call any of the accusers liars here, but from what I know, from men AND women I've talked to, there is little sexism, let alone assault in the US Military. If these there is any truth to any of what has just been shared, it is a problem with a few individuals, NOT institutional.

Those sources are far from being neutral as well. It's insulting that this would be so quickly decided to be gospel and then thrown at us yanks.
 
#11
by PC do you mean Political Correctness? or something else?

I can understand that some groups may be treated differently, even subject to some form of abuse, sexism, racism etc some of which requires a greater understanding to establish that this behaviour is inappropriate.

However i do not believe that the vast majority do not know right from wrong as is suggested.
 
#12
Chief_Joseph said:
dingerr said:
Do US forces have an equality and diversity policy?

Are there values and standards that are listed, taught, reinforced and expected of US Forces?
Yes. To the point of PC motivated promotions

I won't call any of the accusers liars here, but from what I know, from men AND women I've talked to, there is little sexism, let alone assault in the US Military. If these there is any truth to any of what has just been shared, it is a problem with a few individuals, NOT institutional.

Those sources are far from being neutral as well. It's insulting that this would be so quickly decided to be gospel and then thrown at us yanks.
Once again, I find that I must agree with your statement above 100%, on all accounts! I especially think that the former general, has more then a few axes to grind. :frustrated:
 
#13
As long a CJ says its alright everything must be..........Thank god he's monitoring the situation
 
#14
dingerr said:
Do US forces have an equality and diversity policy?

Are there values and standards that are listed, taught, reinforced and expected of US Forces?
The article and video probably have a small element of truth covered in complete BS.

Yes, there is an EO (Equal Opportunity) program. The issue of race and sexual harassment receives serious coverage in all units. Each company has an EO NCO, as does each battalion and so one up the unit hierarchies. I attended the two week course as an additional duty to be my units EO NCO a few years back. Very PC but also enlightening.

Any commander who doesn't give credence to EO issues is frankly putting his/her career in jeopardy. Yet I've seen real abuses of the system. Two young female soldiers, when I was on Ft Bragg, used the EO system to get revenge on an NCO who they disliked. It resulted in investigations (15-1) and having his career stalled while waiting to be cleared. Pity the stupid male NCO who doesn't leave his door open or have another (preferably female) NCO with him when he gives negative counseling or punishment to a female soldier.

Most females are watched more closely because, simply, you're dealing with young males and females. Raging hormones equals trouble and all that. The worst I ever saw it was when we were on the same base as some Brits and Italian Folgore. Our single female, a pretty blond admin clerk, couldn't walk 100m without being cat-called by the Brits or having a dozen Italians try to light her cigarette and tell her how beautiful she was. We had to have a permanent escort for the girl.
 
#15
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=53525

WASHINGTON, March 17, 2009 – The Defense Department today released a congressional report that examines sexual assault allegations in the military services and sets policies for reducing incidents.
...
The analysis found 2,923 sexual assault “reports” in fiscal 2008, which is roughly an 8 percent increase compared to fiscal 2007. But officials cautioned that the rise in reporting -- a figure that represents the total number of sexual assaults reported -- is not necessarily indicative that more incidents occurred.

One possible explanation for the increase could be that higher numbers of victims are reporting incidents as people become more aware of sexual assault in general, and the military’s robust support network
...
About 63 percent represent rape or aggravated assault. Also, 251 incidents occurred in combat areas, with 141 in Iraq and 22 in Afghanistan. Those numbers increased from fiscal 2007
 
#16
Women dying of dehydration because they stop drinking in the afternoon to avoid going to the lav at night. Come on, women can p@ss in sinks and bottles just the same as men.

I'm sure murder and rape does happen. But if it happen to the level in the links how on earth would there be any women in the US forces. Seems to make it sound as if they would be safer on the front line.

My two experiences with US forces was one, in Germany when a US unit ( "Hell on Wheels") turned up and we was in the naafi, a guy comes in and says there are two yanks having a knife fight in the motor pool. The other was in Kenya when one of there fleets arrived and left minus one bod. He had been arrested for killing a Prostitute.
 
#17
I've never seen or heard of this sort of caper when working with them....

although there AFN (?), equivelent to SSVC, was showing a video recently about how to avoid being raped. Which was informative to say the least.
 
#18
I see that dirty old leftist whore Amy Goodman is up to her old tricks again.

I remember when she was just some anonymous piece of filth broadcasting on Pacifica Radio's WBAI here in NYC. She's obviously hit the big time now with the mainstream lefty pukes. Ugly crone that she is. :roll:
 
#19
Are there values and standards that are listed, taught, reinforced and expected of US Forces
Yes there are and like the real world sex happens all over the place.


I know an ex- USA Army Drill Sgt - boot camp god who was a living picture of the American Army SNCO . Got top on his ANOC for physical (his name is up on the wall as an Iron man , FFS) as well as drill and looked sharp every day.

Over a few beers, mine not his as he did not drink. He mentioned -Not boasted , about in boot camp he was drilling the staff, recruits and even his Lt Boss. He was no bull shitter either. :D

lucky fukker
 
#20
old_bloke said:
I know an ex- USA Army Drill Sgt - boot camp god who was a living picture of the American Army SNCO . Got top on his ANOC for physical (his name is up on the wall as an Iron man , FFS) as well as drill and looked sharp every day.

Over a few beers, mine not his as he did not drink. He mentioned -Not boasted , about in boot camp he was drilling the staff, recruits and even his Lt Boss. He was no bull shitter either. :D

lucky fukker
All well and good and a geezer to be admired. But did he rape any biddies, or consider such acts as "just the done thing"?

MsG
 

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