Extreme anti-Woke among the young

Yup I have never meet anyone who is proper working class that supports socialist guff or communism in any
form. Rather they despise them as much as most working people do of any class. We are just more likely to tell them more robustly to 'Do One'.
I have known a few working class hard left friends (friends of my parents). All teachers and CS, but they tend to be a hybrid or traditional labour with a big dollop of Trot or Marx (all hated Stalin). All very pro workers Union, but also proud to be English/British/Londoners.
They where all very grounded in their views, but where very critical of the new generation of "Communists".
I am not ashamed to say I learned more about politics in the pub as a kid, listening to, then participating in debates between my Dads friends (left, lib, and blue collar Tory) then I did at school or Uni.

Edited to add: I think there is a big difference between pre WW2/Baby Boomer Labour/socialist doctrine and millennial labour/socialist doctrine. The later do not bother with research or facts and a crap at debating. Maybe they just can't take criticism. (Tar, brush, all etc).
 
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I'm from a Bangladeshi background and totally against BLM. In a country where minorities (especially Indians and Chinese) outperform whites and work in all fields? Where 85%-90% of the population are white? What a joke. Britain is one of the least racist in the world. White supremacy and privilege are a myth here.
Not so fast

You see that proves nothing - because Asians are lighter skinned you do not suffer the same oppression and discrimination. (As stated by Labour front benchers to Priti Patel)

Furthermore because the US / UK had black slaves it is conditioned to always view blacks as inferior (Dont worry you are racist against them as well)

Therefore any argument against black people being systematically victimised is null and void - if it
a)comes from a non black and/or
b) cites how other races fair and this contests claims of racism.

For the record any black person challenging the BLM narrative is a right wing fascist uncle tom and if you as a non black cite them - you are weaponising black voices.

Of course you are allowed to cite blacks in support of BLM, because you cant weaponise the black voices with correct opinion.

And all of the above have been used to silence me and others when someone says we wish to discuss racism talk at you and tell you that your race is evil and it and capitalism are to blame for everything - heres a false historical reference proving it and you arent allowed to speak back Gammon.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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It was definitely a story which stated so in the MSM some years ago. Google-fu defeats me tonight. All it comes up with is the worryingly low numbers of male teachers and the fear of being called a pedophile.

...which is horrendous, when you think about it. Where's the balance?
I think you may be confusing that with the moral panic about 'male aggression' in Primary Schools some years ago which centred round discouraging kids from character-building activities such as pretending that sticks were guns and deciding who would be the Germans. Essentially right on groups of female teachers had little or no understanding of male patterns of play and viewed competitiveness/playing 'war' as the work of the Devil/Patriarchy.
 
I think you may be confusing that with the moral panic about 'male aggression' in Primary Schools some years ago which centred round discouraging kids from character-building activities such as pretending that sticks were guns and deciding who would be the Germans. Essentially right on groups of female teachers had little or no understanding of male patterns of play and viewed competitiveness/playing 'war' as the work of the Devil/Patriarchy and the Tories..
foc
 

aardvark64

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This @Steamboat character was @Jonesey before being banned.
Just a sad American troll with nothing to offer but distraction and big crayons.
Don't know where you're getting that last part from Jonesey had some insightful comments to make on various threads. Yeah, there was the infamous flounce but he's not the first and won't be the last.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
I think you may be confusing that with the moral panic about 'male aggression' in Primary Schools some years ago which centred round discouraging kids from character-building activities such as pretending that sticks were guns and deciding who would be the Germans. Essentially right on groups of female teachers had little or no understanding of male patterns of play and viewed competitiveness/playing 'war' as the work of the Devil/Patriarchy.
No, I’m not - and I’m frustrated at not being able to find the link. It was MSM and talked about the presumption against male teachers in primary schools.

It wasn’t about males electing not to get in. It was about them being ‘encouraged‘ out.
 
No, I’m not - and I’m frustrated at not being able to find the link. It was MSM and talked about the presumption against male teachers in primary schools.

It wasn’t about males electing not to get in. It was about them being ‘encouraged‘ out.
I recall something about 15 yrs ago - along those lines, - it was part of a report on lack of male role models for young children

Aalthough I dont recall it being a policy of discouraging them - more a case that they were treated with suspicion eg the "why does a man want to be near young children" as such men were dettered from working with young children in particular
 
It is too simplistic to say that people above or below a certain age view things in a certain way. However, I have noticed a greater inability to cite sources and to rely on "dogma" in under 25's. Certainly there seem to be fewer dates, fewer historical facts and f*** all understanding of what happened even 3 years ago let alone 100 years ago. I initially assumed it was a factor of my getting older but no, it is a factor of education being seriously dummed down and the young being ignorant of a host of facts that older people were taught. It isn't dogma, I have an opinion about a host of subjects e.g. the emancipation/persecution of Catholics/Protestants 400-500 years ago. It is a historical and presumably a relatively irrelevant topic. But, it helps to explain what happened then and gives a guide to more recent events to those "that would see".

It certainly is not a scientific survey and I'm pretty sure that each generation has said something vaguely similar apart from the dumming down bit. However, perhaps differently now there is an emphasis on how something feels rather than whether it is right or wrong. We can all discuss right or wrong. There is no way on this earth that it is possible for us to discuss feelings in a rational way as we will all experience them differently, and for different reasons. Anything that is based on subjective feelings rather than objective facts should be ignored. However, this is how the woke lot are messing up the laws that we obey. I perceive this to be racist/sexist/other so because of my perception I feel I have lost somewhere perhaps inexplicably. However, my feelings are real. So, compensate me for my feelings.

There are some things in this life that are truly awful and there are some evil people in this world. However surrendering an argument due to someone else's feelings is downright odd. I have some feelings, and whatever you think, you are wrong. I am not going to tell you what my feelings are, you are wrong. Sometimes I feel like my wife, and then I get better! How can you possibly know what is in my mind? How can we equate my feelings with reality? The reality is that we cannot.

We have given these idiots a courteous hearing. They tell us that we should be no-platformed, ignored and persecuted. We should not be allowed to pollute the world with our views despite the fact that we believe in a freedom of speech that allows them to utter their appalling cant. We are weak , misguided and plain wrong in their eyes. Most damningly we should not be allowed an opinion no-matter how factually correct we are, infact especially if we are demonstrably factually correct if our opinions deviate from their declared orthodoxy, irrespective (actually especially) of how many times they have to jump through hoops to remain/become ideologically pure/correct in the opinion of their messiah/party leader of the day.

That is perhaps the odd thought. If the far right were anywhere near as organised as the left, they would already rule. It should be worrying for the far left (alt left/extreme left) that they cannot win an election and that historically when they have, they have seized power and only eventually been booted out after their failure has become obvious to even adherents.

Ah well. I am tired of the far left spunking our money up against the wall and promoting every idea that could help to reduce our wealth and to shower our savings on other people. I just hope that after many decades of paying tax, that when I retire my efforts will be rewarded. Fat chance. I am far too white and male to be considered for recompense for my industry, or for their jaundiced gifts of other people's savings. My taxes are paying for others who have not paid in. I didn't expect much but I had hoped for a small return.

There is the rub. When the workable scheme is proven to be a ponzi because of socialist lies to the population, and ordinary people who have paid in are told there is no money, that is when the far left zealots and their apologists will get a reaction. It is suspected (but not hoped) that it might well be a fairly violent reaction when people realize they have not only been lied to but also robbed of their retirement. When asked "And how does this make you feel?", a number of respondents will reply intemperately. I do not blame them.

Ah well,

GH
My viewers don't care (Kay Burley this morning) - the woke empathy, leads to suboptimal and self interested outcomes, because individual feelings, are widely different and thus creates more divisions in society i.e. if the right disappeared, then the left would be at each others throats, leading to violence and Burleys viewers would be trying to kill each other over the pace of progress, or an available covid test.

P.S
I have covid and haven't had a test (my wife has, but she works as a nurse).
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
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I recall something about 15 yrs ago - along those lines, - it was part of a report on lack of male role models for young children

Aalthough I dont recall it being a policy of discouraging them - more a case that they were treated with suspicion eg the "why does a man want to be near young children" as such men were dettered from working with young children in particular
That sounds much more likely to me.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
I recall something about 15 yrs ago - along those lines, - it was part of a report on lack of male role models for young children

Aalthough I dont recall it being a policy of discouraging them - more a case that they were treated with suspicion eg the "why does a man want to be near young children" as such men were dettered from working with young children in particular
That sounds much more likely to me.
The timeframe is about right.

Look, I’m fairly certain in my memory but I can’t evidence it. Agree to move on?
 
I said the same thing on a different platform. These fools don't take into account the fact that the police are the only thing stopping us from stomping all over these feral lunatics.
Was that on Stormfront by any chance?
 
I have known a few working class hard left friends (friends of my parents). All teachers and CS, but they tend to be a hybrid or traditional labour with a big dollop of Trot or Marx (all hated Stalin). All very pro workers Union, but also proud to be English/British/Londoners.
They where all very grounded in their views, but where very critical of the new generation of "Communists".
I am not ashamed to say I learned more about politics in the pub as a kid, listening to, then participating in debates between my Dads friends (left, lib, and blue collar Tory) then I did at school or Uni.

Edited to add: I think there is a big difference between pre WW2/Baby Boomer Labour/socialist doctrine and millennial labour/socialist doctrine. The later do not bother with research or facts and a crap at debating. Maybe they just can't take criticism. (Tar, brush, all etc).
Think about the journey the millennial go on..... Just as we were isolated in basic training, then the first leave back home raised concerns we would backslide, then once over that hump, you were institutionalised as a squaddie and not just a working class kid. The student brigade are isolated in uni and surrounded by young diverse people and its all magical and that attitude takes decades to go away and you lose the connection to the working class.

The working class still exist, but are those who don't go anywhere and are a smaller proportion of the population, maybe 30-40% at most of the population and haven't had any representation since the 80s.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
The timeframe is about right.

Look, I’m fairly certain in my memory but I can’t evidence it. Agree to move on?
It was never contentious - but if you do come across any evidence, I'd be interested to see it.

It's entirely possible that one or more 'loony left' local authorities struck out on their own during that period and that's what got reported.
 
Oddly enough my youngest lad who is 26 is as anti woke as possible but luckily has no intention of going on to become some extremist of any ilk.
You have failed as a father. Sign out the Mess Webley and bottle of Single Malt from the QM and do the right thing, old boy. ;)

Joking aside, this is of course what so many people fail to understand: political affiliation is not a binary state. It's possible to reject extreme, "Wokeness" without aliening oneself with the delightful chaps who believe cold weather is just God's way of telling them to burn more crosses.
 

ugly

LE
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Joking aside, this is of course what so many people fail to understand: political affiliation is not a binary state. It's possible to reject extreme, "Wokeness" without aliening oneself with the delightful chaps who believe cold weather is just God's way of telling them to burn more Catholics.
I seem to recall
 

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