Extinction Rebellion protesters - what to do?

Haven’t read all these pages but front of the Metro newspaper said that with the injunction in place, any protesters that break the injunction rules, will go straight to jail or face an unlimited fine.
Send the great unwashed to Wandsworth or Pentonville for some porridge time, where they’ll end up being terrorised by nutters high on drugs, or bullied for their dinner money.
That’ll learn them !

On conviction. There's quite a lot to suggest the injunction itself doesn't carry an actual power of arrest.
 
On conviction. There's quite a lot to suggest the injunction itself doesn't carry an actual power of arrest.
See my previous. Breaching an injunction is grounds for contempt of court. A summons will be thus issued and depending on the kindly nature of the judge, a custodial sentence may be imposed. Not attending will trigger an arrest warrant and the judge will definitely not be kindly when you do appear.
 
See my previous. Breaching an injunction is grounds for contempt of court. A summons will be thus issued and depending on the kindly nature of the judge, a custodial sentence may be imposed. Not attending will trigger an arrest warrant and the judge will definitely not be kindly when you do appear.

Indeed; as I said in a post earlier it won't actually make a difference in the immediacy of them turning up on the M25. At least it is a statement of support for taking action against them on the M25 though.
 
I can see where the police are coming from, with these protesters
after all, they are very busy people, for example

A man has described police as using George Orwell's novel 1984 as an "operating manual" after he was investigated over alleged transphobic comments posted on social media.

An officer from Humberside Police interviewed Harry Miller by telephone after the force received complaints over his posts on Twitter.

One tweet questioned whether transgender women were real women.

Mr Miller said he was "utterly shocked" to be questioned by a police constable.
'Shutting free speech'

"He said even though I had committed no crime he needed to check my thinking," said Mr Miller.

"We are heading absolutely towards some Orwellian state and the police are using 1984 as an operating manual and this frightens the life out of me."

Orwell's novel, published in 1949, describes a future totalitarian state ruled by Big Brother where people are arrested for "thought crime".

Mr Miller, who is a former police officer, denied being transphobic and claimed the police were "shutting down free speech".

In a statement, Humberside Police said: "We received reports of a number of transphobic comments being posted on social media.

"We take all reports of hate related incidents seriously. We will always investigate to determine if a hate crime or incident has been committed and we will then take proportionate action."

"We received reports of a number of transphobic comments being posted on social media.

So we took action

"We received reports of a number of people blocking the M25,

So, we did FA

Except arrest almost all of them. You forgot that bit, didn’t you.
 
See my previous. Breaching an injunction is grounds for contempt of court. A summons will be thus issued and depending on the kindly nature of the judge, a custodial sentence may be imposed. Not attending will trigger an arrest warrant and the judge will definitely not be kindly when you do appear.

How does that help the cop on the ground to clear a road with a person who has already been arrested for the same offence the day before and has breached bail by re attending?

That person will just be arrested for the same offence, have the contempt of court charge added on and be given a court date. It does little to help.
 
How does that help the cop on the ground to clear a road with a person who has already been arrested for the same offence the day before and has breached bail by re attending?

That person will just be arrested for the same offence, have the contempt of court charge added on and be given a court date. It does little to help.
I think you're confusing/conflating breaching an injunction and breaching bail. Two very separate things. AFAIK providing the suspect has been charged, breaching bail conditions will usually result in the bail being rescinded and the person being remanded in custody.
 
I think you're confusing/conflating breaching an injunction and breaching bail. Two very separate things. AFAIK providing the suspect has been charged, breaching bail conditions will usually result in the bail being rescinded and the person being remanded in custody.

I’m quite aware of the difference between police bail prior to a Magistrates Court hearing given by a Custody Sgt and a breach of a court imposed injunction.

Highly unlikely to be remanded in custody for breaching police bail for a summary only offence when conviction for the offence is unlikely to result in a prison sentence at court.

My point is the injunction makes the clearing of the road no more easy. If there was a power of arrest with the injunction that meant they would be put before the next available court and sentenced immediately than maybe it would. They then couldn’t return to the protest.

Crown Courts are hearing rapes that happened in 2018 next year, do you really think Judges will prioritise a breach of an injunction where no one has been hurt over that? Any court case for this will happen well down the line, therefore no real current deterrent.
 

ancienturion

LE
Book Reviewer
It was nice to see that the idiot who glued himself to a BA (I think) aircraft a couple of years ago actually was given 12 months jail.
 

endure

GCM
That should be a national scandal. I knew the justice system was creaking but I didn't realise it had got that bad.

"Justice delayed is justice denied" and all that.
You ought to get your hands on the books written by the Secret Barrister. Truly eye opening.
 
Extinction Rebellion Protesters. What to do with them? Has anyone suggested shipping them to a certain square in Beijing? I don't know maybe somewhere like... what's it called... oh yes... Tiananmen Square perhaps.
 
Just reading the latest posts on this thread gave me a thought. We've bandied around the (alleged) political affiliations of the protestors, and while most of them will claim they are doing it for the future of the planet it could be reasonably argued that the tactics being displayed would tend to lean towards socialism / marxism.

What struck me is that those protesting are only capable of doing so because they have the safety and security of enough cash behind them not to have to work for a living! One clip I saw showed a bunch of obvious OAPs protesting, well I suppose it gets them out the house but you can guarantee their pensions will provide for them while they are out there.

There are no starving, homeless protestors out there.
 
Extinction Rebellion Protesters. What to do with them? Has anyone suggested shipping them to a certain square in Beijing? I don't know maybe somewhere like... what's it called... oh yes... Tiananmen Square perhaps.
I believe someone has.
How does that help the cop on the ground to clear a road with a person who has already been arrested for the same offence the day before and has breached bail by re attending?
That person will just be arrested for the same offence, have the contempt of court charge added on and be given a court date. It does little to help.
Mibbies it does, mibbies it disnae. Just suppose you and your mates were to plod (pun, not an insult) when you were processing those rapscallions. You'd be overwhelmed even sooner. This would mean you'd be unable to police their next target. Bingo! Train roof dancing converts to road dancing, with hopefully the same result. ;) Job jobbed.
 
they are doing it for the future of the planet
Dicky, no offence meant by just showing this bit of your post. Someone else pointed out the planet is fine, and will carry on long after we've followed the dodo. And that's the crunch, us! I suppose it started way back in the mists of time, when we came forth from our caves and multiplied. And to misquote the late departed, Phil the Greek, and multiply some more, and some more, rinse and repeat. We reached saturation point...wheneffer. To quote that ever cheerful Scot from 'Dad's Army' Pte Fraser, "We're doomed!" Unless of course enough volunteers can be found to die, not for their country, but for the human race. Good luck with that. Keep smiling. it could be worse. ;)
 
Dicky, no offence meant by just showing this bit of your post. Someone else pointed out the planet is fine, and will carry on long after we've followed the dodo. And that's the crunch, us! I suppose it started way back in the mists of time, when we came forth from our caves and multiplied. And to misquote the late departed, Phil the Greek, and multiply some more, and some more, rinse and repeat. We reached saturation point...wheneffer. To quote that ever cheerful Scot from 'Dad's Army' Pte Fraser, "We're doomed!" Unless of course enough volunteers can be found to die, not for their country, but for the human race. Good luck with that. Keep smiling. it could be worse. ;)
No offence taken, although I was about to scream "theres a perfect example of someone picking and choosing their words" because the two before your quote were "they claim".

However I agree, one of the things the majority of people either ignore or fail to understand is that the world is not a safe place to be in and everyone dies at some point. Not too long ago we (humans) were lucky to live to our 60's and the average male life expectancy was two years after pension age (think of it as a reward for a life of hard work, now off you go and pop your clogs and make space for someone else).

When we started messing about with safer lifestyles and better medicine and improved age care we threw the whole thing off balance. The thought now is "we must save grandma even though she just sits in her chair all day and doesn't really know what is happening around her" when back in the old days they used to leave them to die when they could no longer be productive.

One day the human race will come to an end, either suddenly (nuclear war / meteor strike / similar) or slowly fighting for resources. Get used to it.

After that some other lifeform will inherit the planet and evolve and grow to do whatever it thinks is best given the enviroment. Then it will get too cocky, think it can control nature and find out nature is bigger and meaner than it. I get a feeling this has happened before, but so long along all trace has been lost.
 
I can see where the police are coming from, with these protesters
after all, they are very busy people, for example

A man has described police as using George Orwell's novel 1984 as an "operating manual" after he was investigated over alleged transphobic comments posted on social media.

An officer from Humberside Police interviewed Harry Miller by telephone after the force received complaints over his posts on Twitter.

One tweet questioned whether transgender women were real women.

Mr Miller said he was "utterly shocked" to be questioned by a police constable.
'Shutting free speech'

"He said even though I had committed no crime he needed to check my thinking," said Mr Miller.

"We are heading absolutely towards some Orwellian state and the police are using 1984 as an operating manual and this frightens the life out of me."

Orwell's novel, published in 1949, describes a future totalitarian state ruled by Big Brother where people are arrested for "thought crime".

Mr Miller, who is a former police officer, denied being transphobic and claimed the police were "shutting down free speech".

In a statement, Humberside Police said: "We received reports of a number of transphobic comments being posted on social media.

"We take all reports of hate related incidents seriously. We will always investigate to determine if a hate crime or incident has been committed and we will then take proportionate action."

"We received reports of a number of transphobic comments being posted on social media.

So we took action

"We received reports of a number of people blocking the M25,

So, we did FA
It is never good to read or hear about an officer severely injured in the course of their duties. But it will happen all the same. Lets hope this waste of a uniform is the next copper to receive career-ending injuries. Better that than a decent copper. Better a hundred such fascist power-crazy bullies get crippled, blinded or paralyzed than one proper copper get a smack in the gob.
 

ancienturion

LE
Book Reviewer
As far as I am concerned these rioters are onto a loser because now there's no petrol/diesel there'll be nobody on the Motorways to riot against.
 

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