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Extinction Rebellion protesters - what to do?

Yes but you must remember that it was the wrong model of communism. If only they'd tried the right model. We still haven't seen the right model used anywhere in the world but one day brothers and sisters, one day the paradise of true communism will be found.



Not in my lifetime though.
Definition of insanity - trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

On paper communism will work, it's just when you introduce human beings to the model that it all goes pear shaped.
 
If the clowns who are causing this disruption are mainly middle class Marxists etc...... why not inconvenience them ?

Every time you are prevented from going about your business, losing work, form up a class- action to sue the twats.
 
If the clowns who are causing this disruption are mainly middle class Marxists etc...... why not inconvenience them ?

Every time you are prevented from going about your business, losing work, form up a class- action to sue the twats.

I'd prefer to see a repeat of the incident on the underground, when one of the self entitled twats got a good kicking

That'll learn them
 

Chef

LE
Definition of insanity - trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

On paper communism will work, it's just when you introduce human beings to the model that it all goes pear shaped.

The nearest equivalent I can think of is the NHS. The theory was that the nation's health would improve to such an extent that the NHS would eventually reduce in size if not wither away.

The major difference between that and communism is that the NHS has saved way more lives than it has destroyed.
 

Houseboy

Old-Salt
Extinction Rebellion wants to prevent the destruction of the planet (and humanity).

MsG
They need to stop dragging crappy old boats round city centres using 3.5 litre Diesel engines then.

n.b. This is not an invitation to you to debate with me, I’m telling you what I think. I’d rather slam my penis in a fridge door than actually have a conversation with you.
 
I read across quite a bit of the media, but I have noticed an interesting trend; especially in the Daily Hate & The Grauniad. Now these two rags are normally pretty opposite (and wrong about most things). However they seem to be along with the BBC pushing the same point, that Working from Home is bad.

You would think that reduced commuting, less space in cities only being occupied 9-5, etc leading to reduced emissions/pollution would be a good thing.
Granted if you live in a flatshare and have very limited space or you live alone it could be isolating. So go to the office once or twice a week.
It seems rent prices have dropped 7% in London already.

The media angle seems to be, what about the poor coffee shops/resturants and sandwich shops?
(have you ever bought a bagette in Pauls?)
its very isolating, everyone is going to have mental health, physical health issues, wait until its winter, blah blah , doom and gloom.
Young people will no longer socialise, mental health etc etc. Even that t1t Littlejohn was going on about no longer going for a pint at lunchtime. (errr its not the 70s mate).
Even the Govt seem to be keen we go back to pay for overpriced over crowded trains, over priced sandwiches and miserable hours wasted travelling to and from places, where we spend much time talking to other people in other spaces miles away.

Interestingly the comments in response are mostly people saying they won't miss spending hours commuting, £1000s on season tickets etc. You did get a few saying it was difficult because they lack space or its a bit isolating.
The mob I work for have partially opened the offices with priority being those who are having difficulty working remotely.


you would think with the possible reduction in emissions though reduced transport use, reduced office energy consumption, more car free space, etc the green lobby would be welcoming this with open arms?
 

DaManBugs

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Child-like reasoning.

"Money" is not the key mover. The drive for power, influence, property and goods is. Money is simply the abstraction the world uses.
That's interesting. So you came to exactly the same conclusion, but when I wrote it, you decided to describe it as "child-like reasoning".
So who are you trying to impress with your, er, "cutting insight", fella?:smile::smile::smile:

MsG
 

RBMK

LE
DaManBugs,

Money is a trading artifact and you have once again completely misunderstood the previous poster.

Money is power, money is posessions, money is influence.

Money merey enables a system more sophisticated than bartering of goods and enables the payment for goods and services via a common denominator.

Money in itself is neither good nor bad. It is an artifact invented to enable smooth trading of goods and services.
 
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Tyk

LE
So how can folks get the idea across that we're digging our own grave? There have been grave warnings of the impending ecological disaster for decades, yet the politicians (of every stripe) have never heeded them because they're in hock to the very Capitalists who're causing the damage in the first place. Even Karl Marx remarked that the continuing disruption of the connection between nature and humans was going to cause very real problems in the future, and he was writing in the 19th Century!

We've had years and years to do something about how we're destroying the earth, but no-one has done anything positive to reverse the trend. It should be obvious that we can't rely on a quick "technological fix" suddenly emerging, but even at this late date and with no time to spare, we're still heading for extinction with no-one really believing it and no-one really caring. For the sake of a quick buck, a few greedy Capitalists are fully prepared to offer the rest of humankind up for sacrifice. Doesn't that scare you?

MsG

Does it scare me? Not one jot.

That apocalyptic vision is not supported by meaningful science, it's the ramblings of idiots, indoctrinated children and the politically motivated.

Throughout the history of life on Earth the temperatures and CO2 levels have rarely been this low and frequently significantly higher, in fact the CO2 levels are close to the point where plants starve.

Is there a pollution problem? Yes, but is that CO2? Nope. Is it on the brink of extinction like you claim? Nope, unless it sees the end of you and your gibberish and lies then in which case bring it on, the world has no need of liars like you.
 
That's interesting. So you came to exactly the same conclusion, but when I wrote it, you decided to describe it as "child-like reasoning".
So who are you trying to impress with your, er, "cutting insight", fella?:smile::smile::smile:

MsG
Men seek three things, Power, Status, Money. Increase any of those it generally increases the rest, or equally allows you to increase the rest.
And the more you accrue the more you tend to want, and most that say otherwise; have usually never had the experience of power/status/money.

See the change in those who rail against it the most when they suddenly to acquire it.
 
That's interesting. So you came to exactly the same conclusion, but when I wrote it, you decided to describe it as "child-like reasoning".
So who are you trying to impress with your, er, "cutting insight", fella?:smile::smile::smile:

MsG

Errr, no. I pointed out your reasoning was wrong and was a child-like understanding, deciding it is the fault of "money" rather than money is simply the manifestation. If you think pointing out your fundamental error is trying to impress someone, well, that says more about you than me.
 
Drugsy is a bullshitter who won't actually ever live under socialism, none of his socialist comrades will ever start their own community they will just talk about it for ever while capitalism provides for them and they complain that its not good enough.

At least show us a socialist country that is or ever has lived better lives than us in any way at all, but you can't even do that.

The Amish have proven you can live anyway you want in the West as long as you don't bother anyone else, they might be nuts but at least they are not hypocrites , they actually have the balls to practice what they preach.
 
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It is also interesting today that BA have announced they are going to pull 31x 747s, 10% of the BA fleet.

You would think XR & Plane Stupid would be dancing in the streets. Not a thing from them really.

Or have they realised that their longhaul trips to a YOGA retreat in Sri Lanka or that climate conference in <insert sunny/beach/Insta-friendly location> are now off the cards. boo-hoo.

After all, its ok for them to fly long haul and/or in first class or private jet (see Thompson, Harry & Meg etc) but not for us oiks to have 2 weeks in the greek islands.
 
It is also interesting today that BA have announced they are going to pull 31x 747s, 10% of the BA fleet.

You would think XR & Plane Stupid would be dancing in the streets. Not a thing from them really.

Or have they realised that their longhaul trips to a YOGA retreat in Sri Lanka or that climate conference in <insert sunny/beach/Insta-friendly location> are now off the cards. boo-hoo.

After all, its ok for them to fly long haul and/or in first class or private jet (see Thompson, Harry & Meg etc) but not for us oiks to have 2 weeks in the greek islands.
Ah, but those people are on a journey of self-awareness and discovery to promote their activism. You're just getting bladdered in the sun.
 
It appears that climate change can only be discussed by world leaders if its held at a luxury spa resort in Bali.

If the conference is held at an abandoned air base with Nissen hut accommodation and sausage, chips and beans on the menu suddenly the global catastrophe isn't so important.
 
All you have to do to prove socialism doesn't work is visit a council estate and then a private estate , the former has pissed mattresses and broken down cars in the front gardens , litter all over the place, vandalised properties and only a minority bother to look after the property, the compare it with all the privately owned houses and the majority of those the owners spend their time and money looking after their investment, nice gardens, well maintained houses and better neighborhoods .

The only social housing that works is married quarters where there is a totalitarian military discipline involved and punishment if you damage it. So without a totalitarian state forcing everyone to act responsibly socialism doesn't work and if the state is on your back 24/7 you resent it and work to rule or go on the fiddle . If you're forced to cut your lawn in your socialist housing you will do the worst job you can get away with, next week you might not be living there so why bother ?
 

aardvark64

War Hero
So not the right kind of socialism then?
 
It appears that climate change can only be discussed by world leaders if its held at a luxury spa resort in Bali.

If the conference is held at an abandoned air base with Nissen hut accommodation and sausage, chips and beans on the menu suddenly the global catastrophe isn't so important.
Oh dear, you're really not on message are you. These type of events have to be held in more central places, so everyone shares the pain of travel. Its unfair that, for example, Aussies have to travel extended times and distances. Bali is only 4 hours flight time from Perth. Also you can't just have any Tom, Simone and Jocasta rocking up, they wouldn't understand and would feel belittled at their feeble contribution. Its very much like staff in charities, they get paid the big bucks because they're the best person for the job. OK maybe 90% of the money they collect goes on wages but you can't just have any old bugga running them.
 

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